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Old 12-09-2022, 04:39 PM
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I think a 2(MC) or a 1.5(MC) would be possible. What's actually interesting, is that according to PSA, a 1.5(MC) counts for more points in the Set Registry than a 2(MC). And since 1.5 Fair is a "full grade", it can get assigned a qualifier and they still intend to give out MCs and MKs while minimizing the others.

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Bonus Points and Deductions
Some sets may have bonus points assigned to certain items within a set.

Additionally, the following point deductions are taken for Qualifiers. For example, if your card or ticket is graded PSA 9Q, the grade calculation in the Registry will be 7.

9Q = -2
8Q = -2
7Q = -2
6Q = -2
5Q = -2
4Q = -2
3Q = -1
2Q = -1
1Q & 1.5Q = no deduction
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Old 12-09-2022, 05:10 PM
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Thanks both. I hadn't appreciated the MC possibility, but of course you're both right. A 1.5(MC) (despite the additional points...odd) doesn't quite seem worth it to me, and my guess is that is where it will land. If I end up going that route I'll certainly update this thread (what...six months from now?) with the outcome!
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Old 12-09-2022, 06:36 PM
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Another vote for probably 1.5 MC.

Though personally, I would catalog this as a 2 in my spreadsheet myself.
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Why are you slabbing it? To sell?
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Old 12-09-2022, 09:04 PM
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Why are you slabbing it? To sell?
No, I'd slab it to keep it, but only if it is PSA 2 or above. If it comes in below that I would sell it (so if the expectation is that I won't get a 2 then I'd likely just sell it raw).
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Old 12-09-2022, 10:07 PM
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No, I'd slab it to keep it, but only if it is PSA 2 or above. If it comes in below that I would sell it (so if the expectation is that I won't get a 2 then I'd likely just sell it raw).
Why let PSA dictate things? If you like the card you should keep it, IMO. And it would be fine ungraded.
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Why let PSA dictate things? If you like the card you should keep it, IMO. And it would be fine ungraded.
I agree...perhaps if you decide to keep it raw, you just might eventually convert to the raw, dark side of the hobby. Nice looking card.

Here is my Matty that came with the first group of 5 prewar cards I acquired, and after all these years/decades he has still resisted hard plastic.

I could have posted this in the Favorite Card thread, but Matty decided he would have more impact here.

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Why let PSA dictate things? If you like the card you should keep it, IMO. And it would be fine ungraded.
Personal preference, I guess. It's not so much needing PSA to dictate things rather the end result (a slabbed card) physically fits into my collection, conforms to the rest of my collection, allows me to update my spreadsheet with the info, etc. The organizing, completing, tracking, upgrading is a big draw for me. I can understand how others could view that as detracting from collecting and enjoying cards, but for me it enhances it.
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Another vote for probably 1.5 MC.

Though personally, I would catalog this as a 2 in my spreadsheet myself.
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I think a 2(MC) or a 1.5(MC) would be possible. What's actually interesting, is that according to PSA, a 1.5(MC) counts for more points in the Set Registry than a 2(MC). And since 1.5 Fair is a "full grade", it can get assigned a qualifier and they still intend to give out MCs and MKs while minimizing the others.
They used to say half grades can't have qualifiers. I haven't submitted in a while. Is a 1.5 with a qualifier new?

As for the card, the front looks like a 2 or 3 but the back damage may downgrade to a 1. Hard to say. If I submit, it's a 1 for sure though.
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In my opinion that back stain/residue mark would keep it out of a 2 slab.

Great looking card regardless.
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I agree with the 1.5 voters
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They used to say half grades can't have qualifiers. I haven't submitted in a while. Is a 1.5 with a qualifier new?
A 1.5 is straight "Fair," and 2.5 on up are "plus" grades. A plus grade has to exceed the base grade, which means no qualifiers.
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Correct, despite the .5, it's FAIR, not FAIR+.

Here's an example from 10 years ago.

1955 Topps - [Base] #106.1 - Frank Sullivan (Period over I in Sullivan is diagonal) [PSA 1.5 FR (MC)]
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A 1.5 is straight "Fair," and 2.5 on up are "plus" grades. A plus grade has to exceed the base grade, which means no qualifiers.
I see, well if that's always been the case I guess I just never noticed. Appreciate the info!
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Old 10-31-2024, 11:47 AM
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Just bumping this 2 year thread to update the community. I ended up getting this card slabbed and it received a PSA 2. I think those of you who thought it would get a 1.5 were correct and I just got a bit lucky (same with not getting a "(MC)").
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I've certainly seen worse 2's, even with the stain on the back. Glad you got your grade.
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