PPP Loans taken by Prominent Hobby Figures

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I can't stand Sports Card Radio. Every video they put out is either an outright lie or intentional misrepresentation of the facts. I can't imagine this one is any different. And everything they create is negative content. All they do is sh*t on others and sh*t on the hobby. Don't feed the trolls.

I'm not a lawyer but I have to wonder if the content of those videos wouldn't open up SCR to law suits that would result in shutting down SCR and then some.

Is there another spin on this that people should know? If someone knows of a rebuttal video, post the link. I don't usually watch this garbage, because I don't have time, but I'd take a few minutes to see a rebuttal.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm not a lawyer but I have to wonder if the content of those videos wouldn't open up SCR to law suits that would result in shutting down SCR and then some.

Is there another spin on this that people should know? If someone knows of a rebuttal video, post the link. I don't usually watch this garbage, because I don't have time, but I'd take a few minutes to see a rebuttal.

Here’s Geoff Wilson’s rebuttal:

https://youtu.be/w9imjd-Syec

And here’s a counter rebuttal ( by a lawyer and marketing person) to Wilson’s rebuttal:

https://youtu.be/Jw6qE0ezikI

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by EddieP

Here’s Geoff Wilson’s rebuttal:

https://youtu.be/w9imjd-Syec

And here’s a counter rebuttal ( by a lawyer and marketing person) to Wilson’s rebuttal:

https://youtu.be/Jw6qE0ezikI

$1000 ppp loan? Why bother? I don't really trust either of these guys?

[notfast]

The fact people like Geoff Wilson are considered “Prominent hobby figures” annoys me almost as much as PPP loans being misused.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by notfast

The fact people like Geoff Wilson are considered “Prominent hobby figures” annoys me almost as much as PPP loans being misused.

the last few years "created" a new hobby within the hobby...the hobby of investing in the hobby...using real time data, creating "indexes" of cards just like financial investment vehicles. This is what the newer "investor" has clamored for...and Wilson has given it to them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

the last few years "created" a new hobby within the hobby...the hobby of investing in the hobby...using real time data, creating "indexes" of cards just like financial investment vehicles. This is what the newer "investor" has clamored for...and Wilson has given it to them.

The index is nothing new. Joe Orlando had an index based on the top 100 cards many years ago, the SMR 100 or something like that. I think Brent has had them for some time too.

[parkplace33]

I feel like most collectors are numb to this sort of "news".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by notfast

The fact people like Geoff Wilson are considered “Prominent hobby figures” annoys me almost as much as PPP loans being misused.

I have no idea who most of these people dominating the modern hobby news are. I feel like Mr. Jones in the Dylan song.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have no idea who most of these people dominating the modern hobby news are. I feel like Mr. Jones in the Dylan song.

peter lol great line man

[Yoda]

Mr. Jones will never know what's going on, and at the moment neither do I.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm not a lawyer but I have to wonder if the content of those videos wouldn't open up SCR to law suits that would result in shutting down SCR and then some.

Is there another spin on this that people should know? If someone knows of a rebuttal video, post the link. I don't usually watch this garbage, because I don't have time, but I'd take a few minutes to see a rebuttal.

They wouldn't be shut down, but they could be sued for damages.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm not a lawyer but I have to wonder if the content of those videos wouldn't open up SCR to law suits that would result in shutting down SCR and then some.

Is there another spin on this that people should know? If someone knows of a rebuttal video, post the link. I don't usually watch this garbage, because I don't have time, but I'd take a few minutes to see a rebuttal.

hi fred hope so man guys a bully

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm not a lawyer but I have to wonder if the content of those videos wouldn't open up SCR to law suits that would result in shutting down SCR and then some.

Is there another spin on this that people should know? If someone knows of a rebuttal video, post the link. I don't usually watch this garbage, because I don't have time, but I'd take a few minutes to see a rebuttal.

SCR reads out the letters from lawyers threatening them on their show and posts them on their website. Goldin is threatening them now for reporting on an affidavit filed that makes him look really bad, but these threats never go anywhere because it’s only slander or libel if it’s false. Their response is usually a profane letter back to the attorney telling them to go and do it. These two guys are obnoxious and clickbaity but the information checks out, they have the documentation and carefully state what is known fact and what is not yet certain but has evidence pointing to it. A lot of their stuff just comes from affidavits and other public records and the blowout detectives. People throw a fit, but they keep turning out correct, from PWCC to the Panini Kaboom scandal.

Example: https://www.sportscardradio.com/ken-...ts-card-radio/

[rjackson44]

i could care less about these bullies

[G1911]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

i could care less about these bullies

Goldin, or SCR?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

i could care less about these bullies

Could or could not?

And which bullies? Those that shill bid and sell altered cards as authentic? Or those who obnoxiously call them out?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by G1911

SCR reads out the letters from lawyers threatening them on their show and posts them on their website. Goldin is threatening them now for reporting on an affidavit filed that makes him look really bad, but these threats never go anywhere because it’s only slander or libel if it’s false. Their response is usually a profane letter back to the attorney telling them to go and do it. These two guys are obnoxious and clickbaity but the information checks out, they have the documentation and carefully state what is known fact and what is not yet certain but has evidence pointing to it. A lot of their stuff just comes from affidavits and other public records and the blowout detectives. People throw a fit, but they keep turning out correct, from PWCC to the Panini Kaboom scandal.

Example: https://www.sportscardradio.com/ken-...ts-card-radio/

Yeah, their style is painful but they bring the goods.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The most wanted list and the nicknames are priceless.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Yeah, their style is painful but they bring the goods.

I struggle to make it through an 8 minute video, it’s really geared to the clickbait drama focused young crowd and that’s just not for me. I ain’t their demographic they target. But anyone who’s correctly and factually calling out scammers, from small breakers to big boys like PWCC is doing good. Most of their competition is focused on denying the scandals and frauds instead.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by G1911

I struggle to make it through an 8 minute video, it’s really geared to the clickbait drama focused young crowd and that’s just not for me. I ain’t their demographic they target. But anyone who’s correctly and factually calling out scammers, from small breakers to big boys like PWCC is doing good. Most of their competition is focused on denying the scandals and frauds instead.

Agreed 100 pct

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I struggle to make it through an 8 minute video, it’s really geared to the clickbait drama focused young crowd and that’s just not for me. I ain’t their demographic they target. But anyone who’s correctly and factually calling out scammers, from small breakers to big boys like PWCC is doing good. Most of THE HOBBY is focused on denying the scandals and frauds instead.

Fixed it for you.

[Seven]

The thing that bothers me the most about this whole PPP business (and to echo what was said by a previous poster), is the fact that many were using the money for nefarious means. I have zero issues with the businesses that used the money as intended, to keep their small businesses afloat, but using it to buy cards or luxury items should have come with repercussions.

The free money given out by the government was an issue as well. Too many people qualified for the stimulus checks. For frame of reference both of my parents received checks. They're both retired and did more than well enough in their careers to not need this money. Hell I received a stimulus check and I have a decently paying career.

Worst of all is many of the vintage cards whose value was bumped up by the pandemic, and will never come down. To preface what I'm about to say, I'm very happy for everyone, that their collection grew in monetary value, I hold nothing against you. When collecting on a budget, you save a little bit of money to the side for your purchases. A 1952 Mantle in an Authentic or 1 went from a "somewhat realistic possibility in a few years with saving" to "Not a shot in hell until I retire" because the card almost tripled in value. Thankfully, collecting is a journey, but damn can it be disheartening at times.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Seven

The thing that bothers me the most about this whole PPP business (and to echo what was said by a previous poster), is the fact that many were using the money for nefarious means. I have zero issues with the businesses that used the money as intended, to keep their small businesses afloat, but using it to buy cards or luxury items should have come with repercussions.

The free money given out by the government was an issue as well. Too many people qualified for the stimulus checks. For frame of reference both of my parents received checks. They're both retired and did more than well enough in their careers to not need this money. Hell I received a stimulus check and I have a decently paying career.

Worst of all is many of the vintage cards whose value was bumped up by the pandemic, and will never come down. To preface what I'm about to say, I'm very happy for everyone, that their collection grew in monetary value, I hold nothing against you. When collecting on a budget, you save a little bit of money to the side for your purchases. A 1952 Mantle in an Authentic or 1 went from a "somewhat realistic possibility in a few years with saving" to "Not a shot in hell until I retire" because the card almost tripled in value. Thankfully, collecting is a journey, but damn can it be disheartening at times.

First of all, the basic dictionary definition of "nefarious" is typically some action or activity that is wicked or criminal. So, are you saying that someone whose business ended up profiting more than expected due to their eligibility for receiving a PPP loan, and then using that additional profit to go out and buy say a '52 Topps Mantle card, was doing something "wicked" or "criminal" as a result?

Secondly, in regards to "free money" given out to many who ended up not necessarily needing it, you also referred to it using the term "stimulus money". In addition to providing support and relief to individuals and businesses in need, I always thought the additional or secondary purpose of these loans and other payments was in fact to get excess money in people's hands so they would end up spending it on things they may not have otherwise, so as to actually be a stimulant to our overall economy and help keep it from tanking in the midst of the pandemic. You actually refer to it as "stimulus money", but then seem to denigrate some of those people and businesses that used and spent it as the government fully intended, to help stimulate and maintain our economy.

The people/businesses that should be chastised, investigated, and prosecuted where applicable, are those that lied about their eligibility for and/or otherwise falsified their applications for PPP loans, or their subsequent requests and filings for PPP loan forgiveness.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Fixed it for you.

Ha, very accurate.

[bmattioli]

So glad I'm just a life long collector and don't give 2 shits about value in my cards.. That dude in the vid looks like he might have an aneurysm..

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by G1911

I struggle to make it through an 8 minute video, it’s really geared to the clickbait drama focused young crowd and that’s just not for me. I ain’t their demographic they target. But anyone who’s correctly and factually calling out scammers, from small breakers to big boys like PWCC is doing good. Most of their competition is focused on denying the scandals and frauds instead.

Am I the only one who misses Hauls of Shame? I know he was a scumbag, and his vendetta against Leon was odd and pathetic, but he did point some sh*t out.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Am I the only one who misses Hauls of Shame? I know he was a scumbag, and his vendetta against Leon was odd and pathetic, but he did point some sh*t out.

In my book, with so much dirt, fraud and theft running rampant, anyone who is factually correct and following a proper evidentiary basis to call out the guilty is doing a good in that action (though they may be wrong for other things, like Nash having committed fraud himself). Hauls of Shame appeared to be factually correct about a ton of frauds of thefts people didn’t want to talk about or acknowledge. I don’t know what Nash is up to now.

[gabrinus]

I have a confession to make...I took a PPP loan to pay for my very expensive furry p*rn collection...featuring Jerry Nadler...Jerry

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Am I the only one who misses Hauls of Shame? I know he was a scumbag, and his vendetta against Leon was odd and pathetic, but he did point some sh*t out.

You're not. Whatever his baggage, Nash pointed out A LOT of stuff that needed exposing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tabe

You're not. Whatever his baggage, Nash pointed out A LOT of stuff that needed exposing.

He's one of the biggest criminals that has never been held as accountable as he should be. Hopefully, his day will still come, if it hasn't already. Dude has to have some really, really bad karma. IF I recall, he plead the 5th in court over 100 times, as to where a lot of his phony memorabilia came from. His phony memorabilia and his site, were a lot of made up tabloid trash mixed with a tiny bit of truth...kind of like 1+1 = 4 Siding with someone like that, really says something.

As for PPP, one of my best friends took 100k because he said they were just giving it out, all you had to do is apply. He is wealthy and his business did just as well through covid. That was a great program....

.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by G1911

I struggle to make it through an 8 minute video, it’s really geared to the clickbait drama focused young crowd and that’s just not for me. I ain’t their demographic they target. But anyone who’s correctly and factually calling out scammers, from small breakers to big boys like PWCC is doing good. Most of their competition is focused on denying the scandals and frauds instead.

Believe me, I get it. From anybody else, I couldn't either. No clue how I'm able to tolerate their videos. Maybe it's that they target Ken Goldin.

[BobC]

While it is a bit tough to sit through the SCR video, I don't think we'll see an actual lawsuit coming from what they're saying about others on it as long as there is at last some factual information or circumstances to back up what they are saying. Threatening a lawsuit is just that, simply a baseless threat, until someone actually files a suit. And even then, that can just be an attempt to make the threat more real. The plaintiff can always drop the suit whenever they like. However, actually going through and filing and going forward with a case and taking it to trial can lead to a plaintiff possibly having to get on a witness stand and be willing to then answer some questions under oath. Somehow, I don't think the owners of any parties that SCR may be calling out would want themselves, or any of their employees, sitting on a witness stand and subject to perjury charges in regard to questions they might then get asked.

[G1911]

To be aware a lot of fraud and supporting evidence was revealed by someone does not mean one is “siding” with that person or that one even approves of that person. He was a fraudster himself.