A public apology

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

It's not easy for a fella to post on a public forum and admit he was a heel, he doesn't owe me an apology and he reached out to the two guys he does owe an apology too. I'm always impressed when I see someone gain a little insight, humility, and personal growth.

Now I know we're all waiting for Kevin Mize to return with hat in hand but I think that's a bridge too far...

If he did I am sure his apology would grade 9 oc.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he did I am sure his apology would grade 9 oc.

Mize was banned, Erik (hi Erik) wasn't.
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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Mize was banned, Eric wasn't.
.

A long and distinguished list, that.

[FrankWakefield]

I see Doug's and Peter's point. It's not a public apology when you say I'm sorry, but not what for. Calling it a public apology doesn't make it one.

I'm not saying a public apology is needed, although I suspect that it would help. And I don't know, or don't recall the situation, but Doug's point seems valid.

Sounds like Erik has started out on a good beginning to the path, but has a bit further to go?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think Frank states it perfectly.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he did I am sure his apology would grade 9 oc.

Now that’s funny!

[Rhotchkiss]

Only on net54 does a guy get bashed for making an apology. Tough fucking crowd.

Good for you Erik. Welcome back (I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but apparently you now owe another apology for calling whatever you posted a “public apology”).

The Mize comments, on the other hand, are classic

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Only on net54 does a guy get bashed for making an apology. Tough fucking crowd.

Good for you Erik. Welcome back (I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but apparently you now owe another apology for calling whatever you posted a “public apology”).

The Mize comments, on the other hand, are classic

Neither Doug, Frank nor I are bashing Erik at all.

[jingram058]

I have no idea what any of this is all about, and I suspect it was before my time. Thus, none of my business. That said, welcome back, sir.

[Carter08]

Welcome back.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Only on net54 does a guy get bashed criticized for making an apology. Tough fucking crowd.

Good for you Erik. Welcome back (I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but apparently you now owe another apology for calling whatever you posted a “public apology”).

The Mize comments, on the other hand, are classic

Fixed it for you Ryan! Erik, welcome back.

[drazz5]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Only on net54 does a guy get bashed for making an apology. Tough fucking crowd.

Good for you Erik. Welcome back (I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but apparently you now owe another apology for calling whatever you posted a “public apology”).

The Mize comments, on the other hand, are classic

Ha! My thoughts exactly. I don't think anyone here is in a position to opine on the adequacy of an apology that does not involve any of us.

Erik, no one forced you to go out of your way to post this, so good for you. Hope whoever you feel that you wronged can appreciate the effort as well.

Cheers!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by drazz5

Ha! My thoughts exactly. I don't think anyone here is in a position to opine on the adequacy of an apology that does not involve any of us.

Erik, no one forced you to go out of your way to post this, so good for you. Hope whoever you feel that you wronged can appreciate the effort as well.

Cheers!

But if it doesn't involve us, why involve us? Make your apologies to the aggrieved parties (and he says he did) and call it a day, no? I don't care either way, but I will say the post is confusing to me.

[SyrNy1960]

chjh: This is a good website. Could be great if there weren't so many angry old men here. The angry are drowning out the rest.

My response: Being that I posted, and I’m 62, I don’t appreciate your comment “Could be great if there weren't so many angry old men here.”

chjh: If you responded to the OP anything other than 'welcome back let's talk cards' you might be part of the problem. Having an ability to deescalate drama is an important life skill.

My response: In reference to your two comments above, you failed to display the ability to deescalate drama, which is an important life skill, as you stated.

I don’t see any anger from any of the post. Just some confused and questioning the purpose of a public apology, when the public doesn’t understand what the public apology is specifically for.

I think if the OP posted something like, “Hey guys, been away for a while, but now I’m back” the OP would have received nothing but “Welcome back let’s talk cards.”

I showed my wife the OP’s post.

Wife: What is he apologizing for?
Me: I don’t know.
Wife: Then why is he making a public apology?
Me: I don’t know

As Aquarian Sports Cards posted: “But if it doesn't involve us, why involve us? Make your apologies to the aggrieved parties (and he says he did) and call it a day, no? I don't care either way, but I will say the post is confusing to me.”

This is same reasoning for those posts that were perceived as negative and angry.

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

Wife: What is he apologizing for?
Me: I don’t know.
Wife: Then why is he making a public apology?
Me: I don’t know

This pretty much sums it up to a t

[chjh]

This is a good website. Could be great if there weren't so many angry old men here. The angry are drowning out the rest.

[chjh]

If you responded to the OP anything other than 'welcome back let's talk cards' you might be part of the problem. Having an ability to deescalate drama is an important life skill.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by chjh

This is a good website. Could be great if there weren't so many angry old men here. The angry are drowning out the rest.

get off my lawn ya fzuk!!!! JK! Welcome back...I don't miss Kevin Mize one iota!

[hcv123]

1) Erik you left voluntarily, you were not kicked off - so whatever happened between you and said parties is imho between you and said parties.

2) I do understand the "confusion" around the idea of your communicated need to make a public apology. My understanding is a key part of a public apology is "saying out loud" what you stand accountable for - no need to involve the names of other parties, but relevant to state your actions for which you are apologizing.

3) That said, it is your own opinion about a need for a public apology - see #1

4) Welcome back!

[CJinPA]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Only on net54 does a guy get bashed for making an apology. Tough fucking crowd.

Good for you Erik. Welcome back (I have no idea what you are apologizing for, but apparently you now owe another apology for calling whatever you posted a “public apology”).

The Mize comments, on the other hand, are classic

+100 here.... I've read a lot here and comment from time to time. Peter Spaeth, seems like a good guy but there's no quarter given by him in his first response to the apology, why? Not detailed enough?

I kinda like Net54, but at the same time, kinda don't... I really mean no offense to anyone but there are some difficult dudes here, but WHY?

Spaeth, 27,000+ posts in 13 years? That's literally an avg. of 5.5+ posts per day for 13 years but cannot simply take an apology..... sheesh

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CJinPA

+100 here.... I've read a lot here and comment from time to time. Peter Spaeth, seems like a good guy but there's no quarter given by him in his first response to the apology, why? Not detailed enough?

I kinda like Net54, but at the same time, kinda don't... I really mean no offense to anyone but there are some difficult dudes here, but WHY?

Spaeth, 27,000+ posts in 13 years? That's literally an avg. of 5.5+ posts per day for 13 years but cannot simply take an apology..... sheesh

To be fair this is not a public apology. I stand by my earlier comment. We were owed nothing, Eric was never banned, and was not required to make any public statement. But an apology should, in theory, state what one is sorry for, and who (whom?) one is apologizing to. This did neither.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

To be fair this is not a public apology. I stand by my earlier comment. We were owed nothing, Eric was never banned, and was not required to make any public statement. But an apology should, in theory, state what one is sorry for, and who (whom?) one is apologizing to. This did neither.

Careful you may get a reputation as a "difficult dude" too.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Careful you may get a reputation as a "difficult dude" too.

I think that ship has sailed long ago

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Careful you may get a reputation as a "difficult dude" too.

you think?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

…and who (whom?) one is apologizing to...

…and to whom one is apologizing…

(Just being “difficult” for kicks.)

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Eric72

…and to whom one is apologizing…

(Just being “difficult” for kicks.)

Wasn't sure to be honest, thanks.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by CJinPA

Spaeth, 27,000+ posts in 13 years? That's literally an avg. of 5.5+ posts per day for 13 years but cannot simply take an apology..... sheesh

Well, since the initial post in this thread does not actually qualify as an apology in the eyes of many of us, then we don't know if Peter "cannot simply take an apology" because none was given for him to potentially take.

[Stampsfan]

Reading this, there went 15 minutes in my life that I will not get back.

I think I will apologize to myself.

[G1911]

Are we so starved for drama that we're going to make it out of a thread about a public apology about a private incident that not a single person here seems to know what the heck was even going on with?

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

I’d grade this apology an “Auth” as I sense sincerity and a genuine regret, coupled with an honest desire to move forward. Props to the OP and welcome back!

To qualify the grade given, the apology may have some surface issues related to context and degree of deviation, yet it also reveals well-centered and thoughtful meditation on the part of the one seeking forgiveness. The regret is obviously acute and sharply defined. The ambiguous edges of the remorse, however, do create a modest lack of clarity.

I recommend a 30 minute soak to clean up the surface problem and we’ll have a solid NM-MT apology.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he did I am sure his apology would grade 9 oc.

But it would be priced as a straight 9.

[Rich Klein]

From Erik's list -- Ruth and Gehrig made up very publicly on July 4, 1939 and Juan Marichal did one of the eulogies at John Roseboro's funeral.

Things can get healed and I for one appreciate healing a lot.

Rich

P.S. We did have ONE person who forgot to hit send for Secret Santa and I have room to get him a match if anyone wants to join in

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

From Erik's list -- Ruth and Gehrig made up very publicly on July 4, 1939 and Juan Marichal did one of the eulogies at John Roseboro's funeral.

Things can get healed and I for one appreciate healing a lot.

Rich

P.S. We did have ONE person who forgot to hit send for Secret Santa and I have room to get him a match if anyone wants to join in

This Secret Santa who failed to 'hit send' better issue a public apology with all the juicy details or else suffer the wrath of Net54!

Brian

[raulus]

I would posit that much depends on whose forgiveness the OP is seeking.

Is the OP seeking to confess his sins against the hobby and receive absolution from the high priests of net54? If so, then I suppose those high priests might insist that more context will be required before a final decision can be rendered.

On the other hand, if the OP has privately discussed the situation with the counterparties specifically involved in the matters identified, and those counterparties have requested a public posting demonstrating the humility and contrition of the OP, then it strikes me that the decision regarding whether the post is sufficient is entirely up to those counterparties.

Certainly if the OP is seeking acceptance from the broader community, and a declaration that the OP has been cleansed from his former iniquity, then we may all feel the need to know more. And if not, then I guess at least now we know to be more guarded in our dealings with the OP.

[LEHR]

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

Paul, what the heck is wrong with you? Are you telling me that you don't feel the passion when someone calls your card a "7" when you know for sure it's a "9" or "10"? OMG -

Could you imagine what this place would be like if it were nothing but Kumbaya? This place would be boring.

Some of those train wreck threads can be "entertaining". I'll see you in the parking lot at the National...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52aaTFibHo

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Fred

Paul, what the heck is wrong with you? Are you telling me that you don't feel the passion when someone calls your card a "7" when you know for sure it's a "9" or "10"? OMG -

Could you imagine what this place would be like if it were nothing but Kumbaya? This place would be boring.

Some of those train wreck threads can be "entertaining". I'll see you in the parking lot at the National...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52aaTFibHo

In my limited time here, I've seen some legendary train wrecks. The Honus Wagner photoshop might take the cake however.

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by Fred

Paul, what the heck is wrong with you? Are you telling me that you don't feel the passion when someone calls your card a "7" when you know for sure it's a "9" or "10"? OMG -

Could you imagine what this place would be like if it were nothing but Kumbaya? This place would be boring.

Some of those train wreck threads can be "entertaining". I'll see you in the parking lot at the National...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G52aaTFibHo

Oh, the train wrecks are definitely entertaining. I just don't want to be in the middle of them.

[ErikV]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

I wasn't going to add any more to the original post but it looks like I need to.

For those who need clarification,

This post summarizes it. I didn't like the way two transactions ended because
I didn't get my way! To the extent that it bled over into my not participating
for five years with the N54 community - similar to the Starbucks analogy/post -
I felt owning up to that portion was also the responsible thing to do.

To those who have been understanding, thanks.

Erik

[dfletch00]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

now that is funny.. Thanks Paul - been a shitshow day .. I needed to laugh finally... that was good ... carry on... Darrell...

[Yoda]

One of the reasons I so enjoy Net 54 so much, besides perhaps me being the grandfather of baseball chat rooms with Full Count some 20 odd years ago, is the basic level of civility we show each other rather than the toxic stew that flows out of so many social media sites.
Leon, who I have know for about 25 years, has taken my original primitive effort and brought it up to speed. The features and technology are just terrific.
Knowing the honest fellow that he is, I am sure Leon will publicly admit he stole my '38 Goudey Joe DiMaggio in 1996, but I don't expect a public apology.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

Best answer on this thread thx

[Rich Klein]

Can a well-meaning gesture set up a 60-post train wreck of a debate. How about we call it a day folks?

Rich

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by LEHR

I've always found it amusing that grown men can get so worked up over baseball cards.

well cards and money..(unless talking about junk wax or regional cards for the most part) .its not like people ever committed crimes over money?

as to the apology i give it 'evidence of trimming' as we dont know the whole story..

also i am vindicated with my back and forth with Mize..

[SyrNy1960]

Erik V,

I would like to end this thread with an apology to you for what should have been nothing but a "feel good" post for you. Sometimes conversations take a turn in a different direction, but I know no one meant any harm. Wish you nothing but the best!

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by egri

But it would be priced as a straight 9.

And bumped 1,000 times over a 10 year period.