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[Joe_G.]

An absolutely amazing run Jon !, all five considered significant John W. Carroll rarities. A real treat to see together.

I'm going to derail the thread a bit, I ask for your forgiveness. I believe the chronological order for the LJ packs would be middle pack first, left pack second, right pack last based on several clues outside of the pack fronts. Would be greatly helped if we could find a legible tax stamp cancel on some of these packs but those have yet to be found. Believe all three designs were used for card distribution (1887-1890+), but the 1887 issues (baseball and others) were likely the earliest middle pack, possibly also the left pack.

Jon, do I recall correctly that the left pack is live, was unopened, and contained an N366 card (Language of Flowers) which we know debuted in May 1888 and ran for a couple months. So, the middle pack's use certainly included mid-1888, could have first appeared earlier.

I would greatly appreciate any leads on a copy of the left pack

[Pat R]

Not sure if this is previously known information on the Lone Jacks or not.

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[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Not sure if this is previously known information on the Lone Jacks or not.

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Pat, I have accumulated many newspaper clips on Lone Jack but not that one. Can you share source and date? I have put a timeline together that shows Isaac Freidenwald from Baltimore, MD produced boxes (1887) followed by Munson & Co. in New Haven, CT (1888) and thus very interested in your source.


Jon, I greatly appreciate your attempt to locate a copy we know is out there, my comment was aimed at others on Net54 who may have or know where that or another example resides.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Pat, I have accumulated many newspaper clips on Lone Jack but not that one. Can you share source and date? I have put a timeline together that shows Isaac Freidenwald from Baltimore, MD produced boxes (1887) followed by Munson & Co. in New Haven, CT (1888) and thus very interested in your source.


Jon, I greatly appreciate your attempt to locate a copy we know is out there, my comment was aimed at others on Net54 who may have or know where that or another example resides.

Sure Joe, Shepherdstown Register (Shepherdstown, West Virginia) December 2 1887.

[Joe_G.]

Wow!, very cool, so there is likely a variant we have yet to lay our eyes on (assuming the contract was executed). The cigarette box manufacturer for John Carroll appears to be as follows:

1887-1890+
1) Isaac Friedenwald (Baltimore, MD) 1887, excluding perhaps the last couple weeks of December
- Boxes known in hobby (only one variant)
2) George B. White (Winchester, VA) from Dec. 1887 to early/mid 1888
- Box not studied, certainly would have unique slide, likely also unique shell
3) Munson & Co. (New Haven, CT) early/mid 1888+
- Two distinct variants

The new George B. White box production run is likley measured in months, pretty rare, even if they were making 5,000 boxes per week as stated. Also possible that the manufacturers overlapped, both under contract at same time.

Thank you Pat for a share that us pack collectors find interesting.

Jon, Ruby was introduced about the same time George B. White produced boxes (Nov 1887 vs Dec. 1887) . . . I think I recall your Ruby being from Munson but might be worth a second check. Would be neat to locate a George B. White box. It is unusual for a cigarette manufacturer to jump cigarette box suppliers so frequently. I'm also surprised John Carroll never linked up with the Whiting box company.

[bobfreedman]

Not to derail the thread however, I live in Durham NC and in the Tobacco building they have these displays

[jjbond]

This would fall into the "etc" of this thread's topic. I was looking for a box to keep my mid-teens basball cards in, and ran across this sales display box for holding Boston Garters. (there was an obscure card set, evidently baseball cards were packed with the garters)

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Not to derail the thread however, I live in Durham NC and in the Tobacco building they have these displays

Hello Bob,

The first cabinet of cigarette packs/labels seems to be newer (20th century) but the 2nd display has some early smoking tobacco labels. Do you by chance have a close up of the "Canvas Backs" label? Is there more on display than these two cabinets? Thanks for the share!

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Wow!, very cool, so there is likely a variant we have yet to lay our eyes on (assuming the contract was executed). The cigarette box manufacturer for John Carroll appears to be as follows:

1887-1890+
1) Isaac Friedenwald (Baltimore, MD) 1887, excluding perhaps the last couple weeks of December
- Boxes known in hobby (only one variant)
2) George B. White (Winchester, VA) from Dec. 1887 to early/mid 1888
- Box not studied, certainly would have unique slide, likely also unique shell
3) Munson & Co. (New Haven, CT) early/mid 1888+
- Two distinct variants

The new George B. White box production run is likley measured in months, pretty rare, even if they were making 5,000 boxes per week as stated. Also possible that the manufacturers overlapped, both under contract at same time.

Thank you Pat for a share that us pack collectors find interesting.

Jon, Ruby was introduced about the same time George B. White produced boxes (Nov 1887 vs Dec. 1887) . . . I think I recall your Ruby being from Munson but might be worth a second check. Would be neat to locate a George B. White box. It is unusual for a cigarette manufacturer to jump cigarette box suppliers so frequently. I'm also surprised John Carroll never linked up with the Whiting box company.

For everyone’s benefit, here they are.

[Pat R]

Jon, do you know what year Obak cigarettes originated? I know the T212-1's have a 1909 date but I can't find anything on Obak cigarettes prior to late February 1910.

[canjond]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

An absolutely amazing run Jon !, all five considered significant John W. Carroll rarities. A real treat to see together.

I'm going to derail the thread a bit, I ask for your forgiveness. I believe the chronological order for the LJ packs would be middle pack first, left pack second, right pack last based on several clues outside of the pack fronts. Would be greatly helped if we could find a legible tax stamp cancel on some of these packs but those have yet to be found. Believe all three designs were used for card distribution (1887-1890+), but the 1887 issues (baseball and others) were likely the earliest middle pack, possibly also the left pack.

Jon, do I recall correctly that the left pack is live, was unopened, and contained an N366 card (Language of Flowers) which we know debuted in May 1888 and ran for a couple months. So, the middle pack's use certainly included mid-1888, could have first appeared earlier.

I would greatly appreciate any leads on a copy of the left pack

Thanks for the kind words Joe. And yes, I actually didn’t mean to place them in order of issue (and your research which you shared with me seems spot on). You are correct that the left pack was full/unopened with a N366 (albeit with some condition deterioration over time unfortunately). Still working on it for you - my letters have gone unanswered thus far!