Any player cards you dont collect because of morals

[Yoda]

I was on the sidelines for a long time trying to decide whether to buy any cards of the disreputable Hal Chase, but finally pulled the trigger on his T205 left ear shows, which i think is just a beautiful card. As Peter rightly says, "stuff trumps all".

[HistoricNewspapers]

Also want to add to the point above that if someone like Gwynn is not an avid weightlifter ands takes PED, it does not mean he isn't doing resistance training. Swinging a bat is resistance training. Running is resistance training. Of course calisthenics are too. They may not make your body explode in muscle mass like a more efficient weight training program, but they are going to make your muscles increase their capabilities at what they are doing.

[butchie_t]

If the person is in a set, they get collected within the set. I really only collect one player over and above a set and that is Frank Howard. I am reasonably sure I am in safe territory here.

Butch

[Exhibitman]

I guess what it is for me is whether the character distracts from the item. I can't see a Michael Jackson item w/o thinking "pedo", so I am not interested in having one of his cards. I have a Woody Allen autograph and there is an 'ick' factor every time I look at it. I also stopped looking for a Bill Cosby signature for my comedians collection, though if I could get it on a roofie box...maybe.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I guess what it is for me is whether the character distracts from the item. I can't see a Michael Jackson item w/o thinking "pedo", so I am not interested in having one of his cards. I have a Woody Allen autograph and there is an 'ick' factor every time I look at it. I also stopped looking for a Bill Cosby signature for my comedians collection, though if I could get it on a roofie box...maybe.

Great thread. I am glad it was moved from water cooler (where I almost never go). Adam, I agree with you 100%. I collect signed entertainment memorabilia (here is my fully signed Led Zeppelin IV album). I will not buy a Michael jackson signature. He molested children. I hate that his songs are still played on the radio and there is a smash Broadway play about him currently selling out night by night. We are so quick to cancel people for much lesser crimes/indiscretions. This piece of shit prayed on children and life goes on in popular culture.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Oh, and I absolutely hate Trump. I can’t wait to read his obituary. I also collect historical items. I do not intend to ever own anything regarding Trump, except perhaps a piece of his Lynching Rope.

Be careful, Ryan, the last person that couldn't wait to read an obituary in this chatroom was Bruce Dorskind who couldn't wait to read mine.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Be careful, Ryan, the last person that couldn't wait to read an obituary in this chatroom was Bruce Dorskind who couldn't wait to read mine.

Not sure what this means (sounds like a threat?).

I edited my original post (memorialized and quoted above) bc it’s politics talk and I should not talk politics on a baseball card site.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Not sure what this means (sounds like a threat?).

The threat was your post advocating lynching people you don’t like. Can’t make this shit up lol

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Not sure what this means (sounds like a threat?).

I edited my original post (memorialized and quoted above) bc it’s politics talk and I should not talk politics on a baseball card site.

I would guess more that Bruce passed away shortly afterwards.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Not sure what this means (sounds like a threat?).

I edited my original post (memorialized and quoted above) bc it’s politics talk and I should not talk politics on a baseball card site.

Not a threat at all. Just trying to be funny, but maybe you were not around when Bruce was on the forum? Bruce actually did say he wished to read my obituary. that even made it into a story in the New York Daily News which I'm sure could not have made Bruce happy considering his standing in the business world in NYC. He had threatened to contact a Net54 member's employer over something they had said to him on the forum. I stated my objection to that and then he wished to see me dead.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Not sure what this means (sounds like a threat?).

I edited my original post (memorialized and quoted above) bc it’s politics talk and I should not talk politics on a baseball card site.

Bruce had quite a collection, but was a pretty abrasive guy at least on the interwebs.

He did make for one of the best posts ever when he threatened to sue someone over an archived post ....and that someone was him.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Oh, and I absolutely hate Trump. I can’t wait to read his obituary. I also collect historical items. I do not intend to ever own anything regarding Trump, except perhaps a piece of his Lynching Rope.

Well we got pretty far until somebody brought it to straight up advocating violence against politicians they don’t like. And it’s the side of “tolerance”, of course

Considering the previous discussion in this very thread about lynching…. Just wow.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

Well we got pretty far until somebody brought it to straight up advocating violence against politicians they don’t like. And it’s the side of “tolerance”, of course

Considering the previous discussion in this very thread about lynching…. Just wow.

Nice to see the rather negative post about politicians was edited, just because it was perhaps a bit much.

Seeing that our political discourse seems to be in a downward spiral, and wanting to not be a part of the problem, I’ve been experimenting with a different approach personally.

Naturally, there are any number of politicians that I can’t stand. Comes with the territory if it’s something that matters to you and you care deeply about. But rather than focus on everything that I really can’t stand about them, I’ve begun to focus on the things that I like about them. Sometimes it’s a short list. Sometimes it takes me a while to think long and hard until I can identify the things that I do like. But even with some that drive me nuts, I can usually find something positive to say, and celebrate those successes for our country.

I’ve found that by focusing on the positive, I’m a lot less negative about politics, and I find it’s easier to find my own zen when discussing politicians with others. Thus far, it has worked wonders when I’ve engaged in conversations with heated partisans who vehemently disagree with my own political views.

Along these lines, I’ve also stopped voting for and financially supporting politicians who insist on engaging in pandering to their base and demonizing the opposing candidate or party. Naturally, the list of candidates that make the cut is a bit shorter this way.

It may not be a panacea, but by following this approach, I feel just a little bit better about being part of the solution, rather than perpetuating and magnifying our current lack of civility in politics.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Great thread. I am glad it was moved from water cooler (where I almost never go). Adam, I agree with you 100%. I collect signed entertainment memorabilia (here is my fully signed Led Zeppelin IV album). I will not buy a Michael jackson signature. He molested children. I hate that his songs are still played on the radio and there is a smash Broadway play about him currently selling out night by night. We are so quick to cancel people for much lesser crimes/indiscretions. This piece of shit prayed on children and life goes on in popular culture.

You won’t buy Michael Jackson but Led Zeppelin is ok? You are joking right?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

You won’t buy Michael Jackson but Led Zeppelin is ok? You are joking right?

They are slightly different and one was kinda sorta accepted back then by some.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I don't see anything wrong with having any player's memorabilia in one's collection. As has already been noted, history is made up of the good and the bad. Like the majority of us here, I'm terribly fascinated by a good story, and some of the most captivating tales involve heinous exploits. It's just a part of life. By owning anything related to a player of ill repute, it doesn't make anyone a terrible individual.

Now, if you happened to love and adore a Rae Carruth or an Aaron Hernandez and had a shrine of their memorabilia solely because of their off-the-field putridity, then I'd have a problem with you.

Putting it into a prewar baseball perspective, I'd have to think that a lot of people on the forum wouldn't mind some Marty Bergen memorabilia. None of them would want to own it to glorify his atrocities. Others will jump on the 2022 tolerance bandwagon with, "He was mentally ill. It's different.". Regardless, a shadow will permanently hang over him due to what transpired, and his memorabilia will always fall into this controversial category.

Lots of people here own Connie Mack memorabilia, yet his intolerance of integrated baseball and his infamous quote regarding Jackie doesn't seem to be brought up too often.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by bnorth

They are slightly different and one was kinda sorta accepted back then by some.

Bullshit

Originally Posted by edjs

Yikes, I just looked up what you are referencing. Well, that changes my views about Led Zeppelin.

Try looking up Aerosmith…and many others too.

The lesson is absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I’m judging none of them…. That said I wouldn’t trust them, or anyone else for that matter, with my children.

This moral superiority thing is ridiculous.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

You won’t buy Michael Jackson but Led Zeppelin is ok? You are joking right?

Yikes, I just looked up what you are referencing. Well, that changes my views about Led Zeppelin.