Do you utilize a vault service for your cards?

[Rhotchkiss]

It seems that a 1986 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 is more popular compared to a T206 Plank (29 to 158) than using a vault vs not using a vault (14 to 169).

I do not use a vault, but have no issue with the concept and could one day consider using one

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

It seems that a 1986 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 is more popular compared to a T206 Plank (29 to 158) than using a vault vs not using a vault (14 to 169).

I do not use a vault, but have no issue with the concept and could one day consider using one

i suspect most of the vault customers are modern guys doing a fair amount of flipping, and not vintage collectors looking for a place to store their collections. So results not surprising given the demographic here.

[Johnny630]

Think about this in March 2020 the Jordan Fleer RC PSA 10 was a $35,000-$40,000 card.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

It seems that a 1986 Fleer Jordan PSA 10 is more popular compared to a T206 Plank (29 to 158) than using a vault vs not using a vault (14 to 169).

I do not use a vault, but have no issue with the concept and could one day consider using one

Aren't those two polls basically measuring two entirely different things? One (Plank vs. Jordan) is about WHAT you collect, while the other (vault vs. no vault) is about HOW you collect.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by BobC

Aren't those two polls basically measuring two entirely different things? One (Plank vs. Jordan) is about WHAT you collect, while the other (vault vs. no vault) is about HOW you collect.

Yes. But Peter got my point: Those inclined to chose a T206 Plank over a Fleer Jordan are likely most of the same people inclined to NOT use vault services. Alternatively, Jordan owners (modern) are more inclined to use a vault than Plank owners (vintage).

WHAT one collects is often indicative of HOW one collects.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yes. But Peter got my point: Those inclined to chose a T206 Plank over a Fleer Jordan are likely most of the same people inclined to NOT use vault services. Alternatively, Jordan owners (modern) are more inclined to use a vault than Plank owners (vintage).

WHAT one collects is often indicative of HOW one collects.

I agree with your point also. Just getting to the same place on a slightly different path.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yes. But Peter got my point: Those inclined to chose a T206 Plank over a Fleer Jordan are likely most of the same people inclined to NOT use vault services. Alternatively, Jordan owners (modern) are more inclined to use a vault than Plank owners (vintage).

WHAT one collects is often indicative of HOW one collects.

That is good point.

Just curious, regarding that video (linked to in one of the posts) -

Who are those guys? Is that a "vault"? Perhaps a small sample size, but most of that stuff looked new and shiny, however the Ruth and Robinson cards were pretty nice.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yes. But Peter got my point: Those inclined to chose a T206 Plank over a Fleer Jordan are likely most of the same people inclined to NOT use vault services. Alternatively, Jordan owners (modern) are more inclined to use a vault than Plank owners (vintage).

WHAT one collects is often indicative of HOW one collects.

That is an intuitive assumption, but has nothing to do with the math of the two polls. You can't assume the people who prefer Plank are the ones who prefer to not use a vault service, simply because those are the majority positions in both polls.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Mark17

That is an intuitive assumption, but has nothing to do with the math of the two polls. You can't assume the people who prefer Plank are the ones who prefer to not use a vault service, simply because those are the majority positions in both polls.

Very true. The sticking point, I think, may be the use of the word "collect" or "collector", and how we're defining it in this instance. A true "hobby" collector with that collecting gene in their makeup seems to typically want to have a closer physical presence and attachment to the stuff they collect, so as to better enjoy it. A true dealer or flipper has much less, if even any, real desire to hold and keep around as "hobby" collectibles what to them is not actually a collection, but simply inventory.

Card collectors can be into pre-war baseball, or modern basketball, which will usually dictate if they'd rather a Plank or a Jordan, the WHAT they collect part of all this. But at the end of the day, a true "hobby" collector will most likely not keep either their Plank or Jordan cards in one of these vaults, at least not long term.

A dealer or flipper collects, or accumulates if you will, a Plank or Jordan card not for the enjoyment or aesthetics of the card itself, but more likely for which can make them the most money, while involving the least amount of work/effort and expense to do so. Using one of these vault services can save time, effort, and expense for dealers and flippers looking to make the most profit possible, as quickly as possible, off of either a Plank or Jordan card. A true hobby collector/accumulator merely wants to own and keep whichever of the two cards they prefer. The HOW they accumulate/hold their inventory or hobby collection part of this.

As someone else opined, if you took these polls on a predominantly basketball-oriented collector site instead, you'll likely see the Jordan card come way out on top. But if that select group is also primarily made up of true hobby collectors, the vault still gets its butt kicked.

The one poll deals with WHAT someone collects. The other with do they operate more as a dealer/flipper, or as a true collector, and thus, HOW they like to accumulate and hold their cards. I agree there is not necessarily any obvious or direct connection or correlation between the outcomes of the two polls. However, there is a large gray area overshading and possibly influencing the poll results as well though. Seems many people nowadays are at least a little bit of both, collectors AND dealers/flippers at the same time. And the extent to which way they lean can vary by card, and over time and specific circumstances.