How does CSG compare?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I probably should have specified that I was referring to vintage instead of suggesting it was all cards. I do not follow 80s and beyond but that is good to know that CSG is hanging in there.

As for the buyer of the 52 Mantle CSG 8 they had better know someone, or be someone, who is close to PSA if it is their intention to get the card back into a PSA 7.5. Not inferring the card is altered but once out of the holder I am certain PSA would treat it as if it had not been seen.

I think that's true normally. But they know exactly which card this is and what they graded it previously. With Nat on his kick about cards receiving the same when resubmitted, I would think there would be significant pressure to put it back in a 7.5 holder just to avoid the hobby blowback of people posting before vs after pics and revealing that PSA graders have no pants.

If they do grade it lower, it would probably be because they want to make a statement about CSG and want to make an example out of someone by pretending that CSG "damaged" the card when cracking it out. That way, they could damage their reputation and lessen the number of PSA crack outs finding their way into CSG slabs.

[rjackson44]

The ugliest holders in the hobby sorry .resale sucks

[parkplace33]

Avoid at all costs.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I think that's true normally. But they know exactly which card this is and what they graded it previously. With Nat on his kick about cards receiving the same when resubmitted, I would think there would be significant pressure to put it back in a 7.5 holder just to avoid the hobby blowback of people posting before vs after pics and revealing that PSA graders have no pants.

If they do grade it lower, it would probably be because they want to make a statement about CSG and want to make an example out of someone by pretending that CSG "damaged" the card when cracking it out. That way, they could damage their reputation and lessen the number of PSA crack outs finding their way into CSG slabs.

I know nothing about the Mantle card in question...no idea when it was originally graded by PSA and who submitted it, etc. I hear what you are saying but I would not want to buy any card, that had once resided in a PSA holder, with the expectation upon owing it that it would just walk back into the same PSA holder it had previously been in.

Nat might want to control the grades of previously submitted cards but there is also a risk they decide this time, the card is altered. Not suggesting the Mantle is. It does not appear to be messed with but it is a 52 Mantle.

Once a card is out of the PSA holder the worthless "guarantee" is long gone but so is the guarantee of the grade.

[Snowman]

Something else I almost forgot about when I submitted cards to CSG. I had sent in about a dozen or so 1952 Topps cards in my first submission with them, and they returned a few of them as "service not available". I'm not sure why though, because they graded the others. They also falsely flagged one as being trimmed. The rest received accurate grades. One was over graded.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Something else I almost forgot about when I submitted cards to CSG. I had sent in about a dozen or so 1952 Topps cards in my first submission with them, and they returned a few of them as "service not available". I'm not sure why though, because they graded the others. They also falsely flagged one as being trimmed. The rest received accurate grades. One was over graded.

I think the "service not available", accompanied with a refund, is for cards that measure too large or too small but have factory cuts. At least that is what used to be the case.

I had done a small submission when they first started grading and felt the grades were far too tight and two rejected...1 for recoloring and 1 for trimming. In both of those cares the cards had been broken out of SGC holders and were 100% not altered. Both were later submitted to PSA and got graded accurately.