Gun ownership poll

[G1911]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Though I certainly do not want to get involved in the original discussion, I feel compelled to ask this one question:


Why are 'radicals' only labeled as such when coming from one end of the 'spectrum'?

I do not think this is true. Each side labels the other sides more extreme takes, or the ones they dislike the most even though that is incorrect usage, as radical. Read the propaganda from each party and you will see this.

I am stuck in the middle with some very conservative (I do not think the state should steal half my money and I like the Constitution as actually written) and deeply left (I’m fine with abortion, I am in favor of universal health care, I am young enough to still be a little bitter about the police harassing young people for being young people in public) views. Both the traditional sides have some radical views.

Some of California’s laws are pretty radical. I’ll stand by that. They tend to go as far to one side in a uniparty state as possible. That seems to meet the dictionary.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by G1911

I do not think this is true. Each side labels the other sides more extreme takes, or the ones they dislike the most even though that is incorrect usage, as radical. Read the propaganda from each party and you will see this.

I am stuck in the middle with some very conservative (I do not think the state should steal half my money and I like the Constitution as actually written) and deeply left (I’m fine with abortion, I am in favor of universal health care, I am young enough to still be a little bitter about the police harassing young people for being young people in public) views. Both the traditional sides have some radical views.

Some of California’s laws are pretty radical. I’ll stand by that. They tend to go as far to one side in a uniparty state as possible. That seems to meet the dictionary.

Greg- it sounds like we have a lot of common ground- I wish everyone would understand that...it's a shame that those on the extreme are ALWAYS the loudest...and are ALWAYS provided a mic.

Again- IMO: DOGS are far better people than people are.

[Carter08]

I think one thing people could try to do is understand why the other side is so “extreme” in their views. I tend to support abortion rights. Fully understand why those opposed to it are extremely opposed to it though and won’t vilify them for it - they consider it murder.

[G1911]

Now we can all agree about the dogs, they remain adorable no matter what else they do

[irv]

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

I heard they banned all transfers of handguns for you fellers up north. I’m sure we will see crime plummet as the bad guys just stop. Yes. I’m sure that’s why, and that that will happen.

I would think most on both sides would agree that just because effective power lies in the whim of the state due to their monopoly on the means of control and mass violence, that does not mean the populace should take a nihilistic apathy of not caring, or not doing what we can to preserve rights (I’ve yet to find someone who doesn’t like any of them). Imagine a world where nobody even debated or tried to preserve anything but the will of the state. I find it hard to imagine many would enjoy that.

Oh, it's working wonders already!
Amazing how those that can't think for themselves think that taking guns and gun rights away from legal law abiding citizens will actually reduce gun crimes. Lets all listen to our incompetent govt and their funded media and ignore the elephant in the room.
Canadian murder rates reach new highs — and it's mainly due to gang violence
https://torontosun.com/opinion/golds...n-will-say-why
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/many-c...poll-1.5907346
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...5bf52c439199ce

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

Oh, it's working wonders already!
Amazing how those that can't think for themselves think that taking guns and gun rights away from legal law abiding citizens will actually reduce gun crimes. Lets all listen to our incompetent govt and their funded media and ignore the elephant in the room.
Canadian murder rates reach new highs — and it's mainly due to gang violence
https://torontosun.com/opinion/golds...n-will-say-why
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/many-c...poll-1.5907346
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...5bf52c439199ce

Surely the gangs will stop and give up their guns now that is illegal. Surely the law-abiding people losing effective ability to defend themselves won't become victims. Surely!

I've heard Canada is also redrawing the so-called and ever fluid 'assault weapon' rules, though most of the articles don't seem to give any specifics on what they actually are proposing specifically (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun...earm-1.6661936). Presuming the typical ban-aesthetic-features-and-anything-that-looks-like-it-may-have-been-invented-after-1900?

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Surely the gangs will stop and give up their guns now that is illegal. Surely the law-abiding people losing effective ability to defend themselves won't become victims. Surely!

I've heard Canada is also redrawing the so-called and ever fluid 'assault weapon' rules, though most of the articles don't seem to give any specifics on what they actually are proposing specifically (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun...earm-1.6661936). Presuming the typical ban-aesthetic-features-and-anything-that-looks-like-it-may-have-been-invented-after-1900?

It's bizarro world up here I tell you!!! Our moronic leader is on a huge controlling power trip. Calling him a dictator doesn't even describe him fully, tbh.
I believe he actually thinks he is the smartest person to ever walk the face of the earth.
'Largest gun ban in Canadian history': Bill amendment could criminalize millions of hunting rifles

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ation_with_ads

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

It's bizarro world up here I tell you!!! Our moronic leader is on a huge controlling power trip. Calling him a dictator doesn't even describe him fully, tbh.
I believe he actually thinks he is the smartest person to ever walk the face of the earth.
'Largest gun ban in Canadian history': Bill amendment could criminalize millions of hunting rifles

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ation_with_ads

Tough when people think they’re smarter than others and don’t understand their ideas might not be so sound, agreed. We should all learn from that thought perhaps.

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Surely the gangs will stop and give up their guns now that is illegal. Surely the law-abiding people losing effective ability to defend themselves won't become victims. Surely!

I've heard Canada is also redrawing the so-called and ever fluid 'assault weapon' rules, though most of the articles don't seem to give any specifics on what they actually are proposing specifically (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun...earm-1.6661936). Presuming the typical ban-aesthetic-features-and-anything-that-looks-like-it-may-have-been-invented-after-1900?

Canadian firearms ownership will be dealt its most massive blow in history.

The amendment not only proposes to prohibit a vast array of rifles and shotguns (with no mention of compensation for current owners), it also includes changing the definition of a prohibited firearm in the criminal code to include: "a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging center-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed."

We're not sliding down the slippery slope, were skiing down it.


People really need to wake up! You guys are a lot more lucky than us for sure as you actually have a constitution that isn't written on toilet paper and judges in place to ensure, for the most part, it is upheld.

People also need to wake up the fact that despite your constitution, your Democratic party is trying to blow it up and do the same things as our Liberals up here and around the world before it is too late.
https://youtu.be/WcnETSsSLOQ

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

Canadian firearms ownership will be dealt its most massive blow in history.

The amendment not only proposes to prohibit a vast array of rifles and shotguns (with no mention of compensation for current owners), it also includes changing the definition of a prohibited firearm in the criminal code to include: "a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging center-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed."

We're not sliding down the slippery slope, were skiing down it.


People really need to wake up! You guys are a lot more lucky than us for sure as you actually have a constitution that isn't written on toilet paper and judges in place to ensure, for the most part, it is upheld.

People also need to wake up the fact that despite your constitution, your Democratic party is trying to blow it up and do the same things as our Liberals up here and around the world before it is too late.
https://youtu.be/WcnETSsSLOQ

This phrasing is so weird. If a firearm can accept a 1 round detachable magazine, it can accept a hypothetical thousand round detachable magazine. The round limiter here does nothing and bans essentially any detachable magazine gun. The provisions specifically naming a host of firearms include even more extreme examples, there are literal single shot guns and bolt action manually operated arms on it. This includes some even pre-US civil war technology. Looks like you’ll be allowed some single shots or manual arms based on a 100% undefined and arbitrary nature of the name stamped on the receiver. The “cartridges of the type” seems to be learning from the recent California drama where a magazine ban’s poor verbiage has led to some putting a small magazine of a different caliber in a non functional place and using a standard capacity mag in the mag well to run the gun as normal, which DOJ insists is illegal but meets the law as actually written.

Amusingly, this verbiage would not ban belt feeds by feature, only if naked specifically in the list. So it would be okay to have a few hundred rounds through a semi auto belt fed support weapon that is not specifically named in the ban list BUT you can’t have an old Mauser bolt action or a Ruger single shot. The banners not knowing anything about the subject (we had as many demonstrably false mechanical claims in this very thread as we did banner posts) usually makes these laws bizarrely phrased and inconsistent like this.

The Constitution has stopped a lot of the worst infringements in the US; but we are just a couple justices away from a court that will rule to completely ignore the parts of the Constitution it doesn’t like and invent completely fictional clauses that do not exist in said document. The lack of any enforcement power already allows the banner states to pass one unconstitutional and illegal law after another, just a little less extreme. I’m allowed to keep my detachable mag semi autos, but you can’t buy a new one here unless you remove tons of other parts to sneak around the rules, and my ability to keep mine comes with a host of legal traps that have nothing to do with safety and everything to do with trying to make us political criminals. It is even technically illegal under these political punishment laws for me to stop for lunch on my way to or from the range. Thankfully people are made safe by this law. Yes, that’s what we’re doing. It’s about the children. And safety. Yep.