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I also recently had a not-so-great experience with the program. It was as a seller though. I sold a card...just listed what the card was and said see scans for condition. Somehow ebay (CSG) decided I didn't accurately represent the card and they were sending it back to me??? The money never made it to me, so I didn't handle the refund.
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I just won this raw card from Greg Morris.
Title was "1911 T205 Gold Border Set-Break Johnny Evers Sweet Caporal LOW GRADE (crease)" I shouldn't have any problems with this going through CSG.
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Agree it makes no sense, because that email I presume would have come from ebay saying your item failed authentication. Something not adding up, that is for sure.
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That does not seem to be true. CSG is still a meddling party, and it is their arbitrary choice. They can reach out to the buyer, as others have described having happened, or they can just kill a deal nobody wants to have killed. They are meddling because eBay paid them too and that’s their role, but the call to kill a deal or reach out to the buyer is their choice. They are responsible for it.
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You do have to wonder what parameters and limitations eBay has placed on CSG and PSA around the authentication program.
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Which is their choice, clearly eBay allows them to reach out and they could. Many would argue this is a minor issue. Even if eBay didn’t allow them too, people are still going to face some judgement for the things they do, especially by the person that is losing because of it. The party on the far end of the chain of responsibility is not the only one who is or can reasonably be accountable for what they do, good or bad. If I pay a fellow to do a bad or a good thing, he is still responsible for what he did, good or bad. |
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Yoda must have lost the force. The refund was paid on 10/25 in full. I simply kept looking for it in the wrong account. So totally bad on my part. But I still hate Ebay's authentication program, wish I had my raw Spahny and am now hesitant to bid on any raw, high-value cards, even if I agree with Greg's grade, for fear it will be rejected by CSG.
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Have him list it with a 1988 Donruss common for the BIN and it will avoid the authentication service.
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It's security theatre, and the buyer should have the option to waive the review service. "Yoda" was the original message board operator for baseball cards related to eBay. It would be like security at Minute Maid Park detaining Dusty Baker from entering the Astros clubhouse before a game.
I went through it once, and it was very, very nice. They sent my card in a presentation box with a note saying the card I bought from Dean's was "not only authentic, but very authentic, and congratulations on a fine choice."
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I was angry at myself mainly because I failed to grasp the mechanics of the program and became confused. And then stupidly failed to reconcile the refund by checking the wrong bank statement. Ebay's program just seems so ponderous and not collector friendly. I will continue to use Greg, he has built a great company, but will check his grading far more closely so I don't have to go through all this another time.
Peter, I don't know what the the abbreviation SHM means. Perhaps you can enlighten me. And, Joe, will try your approach. Makes sense, but I am not sure I even want the card anymore after all this. Thanks to all Board members who offered constructive help. Last post from me on this which should relieve everybody. |
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John -- SMH is shaking my head. Since the nonrefund was a false alarm, I still don't get why you would be upset that someone caught a problem with a card you bought, but that's just me. In any event, we'll move on.
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One thing to consider about ebay's "guarantee" program,
the posters on N54 are pretty good about grading & understanding the nuances about cards. What about if someone is just starting to collect or our wives wanted to get us an Xmas gift? They would need the protection against scammers & over graders. So I think it serves a useful purpose. |
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~half of my buys in this range are in worse condition than the seller states. The seller says something like “appears excellent” and it has a pinhole and is clearly fair at best. I know this, I’m buying it anyways and don’t care about the sellers hyperbole because there is a clear picture and I know what I’m doing. Often times the card will be described wrong as to what it is, because it’s an obscure boxing piece and the seller doesn’t really know what it is. A lot of us don’t want eBay’s partners to unilaterally with no input from and against the express wishes of buyers, killing deals over a triviality. I don’t care what grade the seller who is not necessarily a card person described, or what they called the card. I might not see another for 2, 5, 10 years or even ever. It’s going to suck when CSG inevitably kills one of my deals like this. I’ve had good luck thus far pushing transactions off eBay (which I used to never do) to dodge it and the dice roll that they will or will not block me from taking possession of ‘my’ card. |
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How did they kill it? If John still wants it he can buy it direct from Greg. They aren't burning the card at the stake.
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.... They forced the reversal of the transaction... They refund the buyer and send the card to the seller, nixing the deal. How are they NOT killing the sale? They could go do it offline, and breaking eBay's rules, I believe, but they are factually killing the deal. That much is not an opinion of whether this is good or bad or should be done.
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Wow... Lot's of unnecessary drama and redundancy in this thread. I would think a dozen posts would have more than sealed the deal here.
Ebay's rules are crystal clear, and a refund was issued. I don't like the TPGs either, but this matter is cut and dried. If you don't mind the over-grading, just do the deal with Greg Morris off-line. You'll probably avoid paying sales tax, and he will avoid the eBay fees. A win-win. |
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Drama and redundancy are the hallmarks of many a thread, and no doubt I share some of the blame for that. But here, John said he hadn't been refunded, which I think in part led to it being drawn out.
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One final comment and then I shall be forever silent on this topic, which was caused was by my own stupid blunder and dramatics, and that is both the seller and Greg Morris can't be happy with this busted transaction, which should have been so simple without the interference of Ebay's vaunted new program.
I believe Greg really needs to grade on a conservative basis, which I think in the main he does. I have bought multiple raw cards, had them graded and received grades consistent with his. More Ebay interferences that are 'reported' like mine, are going to discourage sellers. His platform depends on the proper grading of cards in his auction or confidence is lost. |
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Well, this should be fun. Looks like it's my turn...
I bought a raw Mantle on eBay and it got sent to CSG to authenticate it. I didn't notice it at the time, but the card in the listing showed the wrong back (the card I bought was a 1960 Topps, but the back image is actually of a 1966 Topps Mantle). It didn't register to me when I bid on the card because I only examine the images for creases, markings, and other flaws. Anyhow, the card gets sent off to CSG and they authenticated it. However, the card I received has a pen marking on the back that someone tried to erase. The listing states "no returns" and eBay will not allow me to file a claim because the card was authenticated by CSG.
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Yes, it was partly his fault for not noticing but the seller is wrong too for not disclosing a fault and CSG is wrong for authenticating a card that clearly did not match the auction photos. CSG takes most of the blame here.
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100% my fault? lol. OK, if you say so.
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I guess I didn't realize that if a raw card goes to CSG, they are both authenticating it AND matching up what the seller said it would grade? That must get interesting fast, since descriptions of raw cards on eBay many times don't conform to a TPG's 10 point scale. What if they said a card was EX, but in the opposite direction - CSG said no, this is NM! Would that be rejected for being the "wrong" grade even if it were higher? I once bought a '61 Willie Mays AS that was described as "EX" by an eBay outfit that was more of an antique mall than a pure card dealer. When I sent it off to SGC, it came back an 8. Would that have "failed" authentication?
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