2nd Chance Offers

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

It matters to me. Obviously I am willing to pay my top bid for the card. But I think ethics matter, and I do not deal with scammers and fraudsters no matter what cards they are offering me at what price (including most auction houses). A seller shilling and cheating me to get my max bid to offer me the card at my max price is unethical. It makes me decide they can piss off and I won’t buy it at any price.

If another bidder ruined the auction for the seller, somebody still did wrong but that person is not the seller. We are both victims by the jackass in this situation. Thus I have no problem forking over my bid to the seller, who did nothing wrong.

I certainly understand not caring and paying it in either case because you are willing to pay that price, but I value not giving money to crooks more than I do getting the card.

Good points!

But the morons who bid like drunken sailors with no intention of actually paying still piss me off to high heaven.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by raulus

Good points!

But the morons who bid like drunken sailors with no intention of actually paying still piss me off to high heaven.

They are yet another reason I miss when eBay didn’t hide bidder names. At this point I would almost prefer eBay to force display of everybody’s name and address so I can send these folks strongly worded letters of disapproval.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

They are yet another reason I miss when eBay didn’t hide bidder names. At this point I would almost prefer eBay to force display of everybody’s name and address so I can send these folks strongly worded letters of disapproval.

HA.

In the olden days, you could even email another bidder.

I remember I was working an auction against another fellow on a card. We were going back and forth. In the end, he won. And then he started sending taunting emails. And not just a few. Kept going for a while, and finally, I just blocked him.

So I'm okay with losing that functionality.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by raulus

HA.

In the olden days, you could even email another bidder.

I remember I was working an auction against another fellow on a card. We were going back and forth. In the end, he won. And then he started sending taunting emails. And not just a few. Kept going for a while, and finally, I just blocked him.

So I'm okay with losing that functionality.

Oh, I remember that happening quite a bit if I sniped something from someone.

I would just reply with "It's not my fault you don't understand how this site works." and a block.

Yes, the anonymity works well.

I also had a couple people that would watch my bids to locate items as they had similar collecting interests. I hated that more than anything. Glad that was stopped too.

[ALR-bishop]

I Snipe bid at what I am willing to pay. If I get it fine. If not fine. No 2nd chances.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by raulus

Good points!

But the morons who bid like drunken sailors with no intention of actually paying still piss me off to high heaven.

I'd still be wary and careful of getting a second chance offer even if it were days after the auction ended, and not just immediately or hours after. Assuming if the offer comes say a week after the auction originally ended that it indicates the original buyer must have somehow cancelled, backed out, or simply ended up being a non-paying auction winner, might not be very smart. I tend to believe most shillers, scammers, and frauds aren't completely stupid. And if they've been at something like this, shilling and then dropping a 2nd chance offer on the party they couldn't entice to bid even higher, for a while, they may have already picked up and figured out that making the 2nd chance offer immediately or soon after the auction ended tends to make the party they're trying to shill and scam very suspicious. And as a result they quickly learn to wait a few days before making the 2nd chance offer to make it seem the alleged auction winner really did back out/not pay.