1910 Cleveland Naps Team panorama question

[Angyale]

Hank,

I bought it in 2014. Seller at National in 2014 got it from an auction house lot. Not sure if it was Leelands, Heritage, or whichever, and I sure wish I saved the provenance info. There is a 1910 panorama of the exact same photo on Christie’s website that sold for over $6k in 2016. Mine is much smaller. I’m going to do a deep dive into the archives of whatever auction houses I can find online.

Angyale

[Angyale]

It in the September 1, 2013 Mears Online Auction. Lot #249. It’s my exact item. Is Mears knowledgeable with regard to prewar photographic items? Hank, the colorized panorama you are referring to was a supplement to a Cleveland paper from somewhere between 1911 and 1913 as I recall.

Angyale

[Leon]

What does it say in that lower right hand corner? Looks like a supplement...but maybe not.
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[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Leon

What does it say in that lower right hand corner? Looks like a supplement...but maybe not..

If it is period, about which I have my doubts, it's most certainly a supplement or insert of some kind; there's nothing about it that resembles an original type 1 photo.

[Angyale]

Leon, it says “copyright 1910 by the Haines Photo Co. Conneaut, O(hio).”

Hank, nowhere in this thread do I state that it’s an original Type 1 photo. The original Type 1 (or at least one of them) sold at Christie’s in 2016 as I’ve already mentioned in this thread. I also posted the Mears auction that this exact item came from. It is possible that in 1910 that someone (Haines?, a Cleveland Newspaper?, etc.) could have created a lithograph that resembles a photo, but not be an actual photo. I don’t think I’m going too far out on a limb or being too reckless to suggest this. Is there any way to date the ink without spending a crazy amount of money? I contacted Troy with Mears yesterday and he said in an email to me “these were printed in very limited quantities and distributed to players. Most teams have less than a handful of known examples”. Now I cant prove or disprove this statement, and Troy didn’t tell me how/where he got this info from. Also puzzling is why wasn’t that info included in the 2013 Mears auction description as you would think it would be an important selling point. So I’m back to where I started. When, where, how, and for what reason was it made?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Angyale

Hank, nowhere in this thread do I state that it’s an original Type 1 photo.

I was responding to Leon's post, not yours. And you are correct, the mysteries continue. It's hard to see how Troy can have no backup for the quite specific claims he made as to its origins. And I believe the colorized panorama I referenced was from a 1913 Cleveland newspaper, perhaps the Plain Dealer, so you are also correct about it not having any relation to this.

[MEARSAUCTIONS]

Hello.

Going back to the days when Dave Bushing was very active in purchasing collections which originated direct from player estates, I was privy to several of these (various teams and years), both in real photographic and paper stock. "These" refer to the panoramic sized photos. Since these were originating directly from the players families, I am comfortable with this information being accurate. I personally viewed an oversized paper stock Chicago Whales photo and 1929 Philadelphia A's which originated from families in Milwaukee. I cannot say with certainty this was not a premium, and my response to the poster was a quick answer to an email I received and not intended to serve as official comment. I am confident these were issued to some players during the era, but I cannot say it was exclusive to players. My personal belief, without documentation to support, is these were player only. Regards, Troy