Ebay Authentication - It Gets Personal

[Yoda]

All I know is I bought the card raw from Greg off their Ebay platform. Then it went through the authenticity drill and today I received an Email saying that PSA had rejected it for authenticity with nothing more than Greg apologizing and offering a $10 credit on my next purchase There was no mention of CSG and besides I wanted the card raw, not graded. Nor was there any mention of 'what happens next'. I have already emailed back to Greg asking for instructions.
I feel helpless here and somewhat victimized by this clusterf*%^k of an Ebay program I didn't want in the first place.
Now I have neither the card nor my $500+ purchase price.

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Yoda

All I know is I bought the card raw from Greg off their Ebay platform. Then it went through the authenticity drill and today I received an Email saying that PSA had rejected it for authenticity with nothing more than Greg apologizing and offering a $10 credit on my next purchase There was no mention of CSG and besides I wanted the card raw, not graded. Nor was there any mention of 'what happens next'. I have already emailed back to Greg asking for instructions.
I feel helpless here and somewhat victimized by this clusterf*%^k of an Ebay program I didn't want in the first place.
Now I have neither the card nor my $500+ purchase price.

You should be able to contact Greg & work out a better solution.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

You should be able to contact Greg & work out a better solution.

+1

I rarely buy on ebay, but I do check it fairly regularly. If one of the bigger shops or a seller I have dealt with privately has a card listed that I like, I just deal with them off the ebay platform; you can usually get a better deal as well and not pay sales tax.

Anyway, Greg has a website and phone number. Just call and world something out, keep Ebay out of it

[Luke]

I've noticed Greg Morris putting NR-MT on some listings that would likely grade 4.5-5 if sent for grading and wondered if they have some exemption that allows this. If any other seller lists a raw VGEX-EX card as NR-MT, it isn't going to pass the ebay auth process.

[jamest206]

eBay sucks. Officially.

[Flintboy]

Originally Posted by Luke

I've noticed Greg Morris putting NR-MT on some listings that would likely grade 4.5-5 if sent for grading and wondered if they have some exemption that allows this. If any other seller lists a raw VGEX-EX card as NR-MT, it isn't going to pass the ebay auth process.

He is more likely to grade a NM card as VG VG/EX. Also, he’s been at this for 10 years he can’t give a card a single grade? Big difference between Ex and Ex Mt.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

+1

I rarely buy on ebay, but I do check it fairly regularly. If one of the bigger shops or a seller I have dealt with privately has a card listed that I like, I just deal with them off the ebay platform; you can usually get a better deal as well and not pay sales tax.

Anyway, Greg has a website and phone number. Just call and world something out, keep Ebay out of it

Most of Greg's listings, or many anyhow, are auctions. No option to deal with him off site.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Yoda

All I know is I bought the card raw from Greg off their Ebay platform. Then it went through the authenticity drill and today I received an Email saying that PSA had rejected it for authenticity with nothing more than Greg apologizing and offering a $10 credit on my next purchase There was no mention of CSG and besides I wanted the card raw, not graded. Nor was there any mention of 'what happens next'. I have already emailed back to Greg asking for instructions.
I feel helpless here and somewhat victimized by this clusterf*%^k of an Ebay program I didn't want in the first place.
Now I have neither the card nor my $500+ purchase price.

I am not sure how CSG spotting an issue with what you and GMC thought was an authentic card makes you a victim. And I don't know why they would tell you PSA looked at it, maybe GMC sends a form letter and you got the wrong one. But I am sure you will get your $500 back from GMC, I am surprised you haven't already.

[111gecko]

I've done business with Greg for a long time...whatever is happening; he will make it right.

I'm assuming there is a strict process in place via EBay>CSG/PSA>back to seller>refund to buyer. Lots of parties involved but the authentication is there to protect the buyer. Probably just needs a little time to cycle through.

[G1911]

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am confused, a raw card would not have gone to PSA.

[Steve D]

I'm just wondering if there's something wrong with the top border of the card. It looks like it may be slightly bowed (convex).

Steve

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by G1911

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

CSG is involved because over a threshold ebay has a mamdatory authentication, it's that simple and you have no choice as a buyer.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Greg, that is indeed the card and other Greg labelled it nrmt. I don't understand why CSG would be involved since I bought it raw and had no attention of grading it. I just wanted the card I won and paid in a GM auction, not this Chinese water torture test from this idiot program Ebay dreamed up. Has anyone else endured anything like this from a GM win?

I hate the program, but I have yet to be screwed by it.

I get why they might flag it for the grade, since it isn't NRMT like Morris listed it, but I would think a reasonable program would give the buyer a choice, not force cancel it.

I've arranged a lot of deals I used to do on eBay to be off eBay after this program, because I fear exactly this. I know that a card is often lower grade than the seller claims, or I fear they won't recognize what it even is and will cancel the transaction. I just want the card I, of my own free will, chose to enter into a contract to buy. It makes no sense a grading company I do not care about has to sign off that I am allowed to do this. I hope but doubt eBay ends up killing this garbage.

[Yoda]

I just reread Greg's email. All he states is 'that the card has been rejected by the Ebay protection program". By who? Why? What now? I suspect you guys are right and Greg overgraded the card and it was then deemed unworthy of nrmt, by I suppose PSA.
All I know is that I am sitting here fuming, out $537 and no Spahny to comfort me.. A pox on the Ebay protection program.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Looks like this is the card, using the sold listings?

If so, I understand for rejecting, because it is not NR-MT as the title claims. Bottom right corner especially.

If they rejected it for authenticity as OP is saying, then I have a lot of questions for CSG.

This is why I don't want the program. My eyes work and I know what I'm buying, please don't tell me I can't have what I want and buy.

If you look on the back of the card, the corners are even worse. Top right corner of the back looks like it might have some paper loss. CSG almost certainly rejected this one because of it being listed as NR-MINT.

Also, GregMorris has been having some grading issues as of late. I buy a ton of cards from them every week, and over the past couple weeks I've gotten numerous cards with creases or wrinkles that were not disclosed, as well as some 1986 Fleer basketball cards that were clearly trimmed and even one that was recolored (and not difficult to find with the card in hand). Something is going on at GM, because I never used to get stuff like this from them. I also noticed they put out an advertisement on social media that they are looking to hire a grader... So hopefully things turn back around for them in the near future.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snowman

If you look on the back of the card, the corners are even worse. Top right corner of the back looks like it might have some paper loss. CSG almost certainly rejected this one because of it being listed as NR-MINT.

Also, GregMorris has been having some grading issues as of late. I buy a ton of cards from them every week, and over the past couple weeks I've gotten numerous cards with creases or wrinkles that were not disclosed, as well as some 1986 Fleer basketball cards that were clearly trimmed and even one that was recolored (and not difficult to find with the card in hand). Something is going on at GM, because I never used to get stuff like this from them. I also noticed they put out an advertisement on social media that they are looking to hire a grader... So hopefully things turn back around for them in the near future.

I’m pretty sure you are right, my confusion was because the OP said it was rejected for “authenticity”. It’s clearly authentic, but also clearly a false grade. I have no faith in the graders and their appeals to authority, but I’d be pretty surprised if they are this bad at authentication.

I buy a fair amount from Morris. I have a 65 Jim Otto sitting here he described as VG-VG/EX but looks NRMT in hand and I can’t find what’s wrong. I’ve also gotten a few that are wildly over graded, which is why I use the scans and ignore what sellers state to me is the condition. Morris delivers what I buy, scans well, and has good combined shipping. Amid all the cards he sells for double what they cost from other sellers, a fair number of the weekly listings go for regularp prices, and with combined shipping stack pretty well for large orders.