2023 Contemporary Era Ballot Nominees

[packs]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

So are you referring to Dwight Evans and Keith Hernandez as "fringe players"?

I am not sure what you mean by "the questions around Hernandez and Dwight Evans have been talked about to death and there isn't anything left to debate."

Keith Hernandez has yet to be included on a Veterans Committee ballot, unlike Mattingly, Murphy and others who have already been considered by the Veterans Committees in the past.

In the last couple of years, Hernandez was induced to the Cardinals Hall of Fame and had his number retired by the Mets. Lots of people think he has a stronger case than Mattingly.

As far as Evans goes, Bill James wrote an open letter in 2012 calling for Evans’ enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. And Adam Darowski inducted Evans into his Hall of Stats, writing "It’s not that Dwight Evans was a unique hitter. His 352.7 (Baseball-Reference) WAR Batting Runs have been matched by 89 other players. His fielding skills weren’t very unique, either. 194 players have more WAR Fielding Runs than Evans’ 66.3. But only 18 players in the history of the game have surpassed him in both categories."

Fringe HOF-candidates. That letter from Bill James was a decade ago. Yes, I believe both of their cases have been talked about to death. Keith Hernandez is one of the first players people point to, along with Garvey, when they question standards. It's not a new discussion.

I don't disagree that the same thing can be said of Mattingly. But the committee obviously feels differently.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

Fringe HOF-candidates. That letter from Bill James was a decade ago. Yes, I believe both of their cases have been talked about to death. Keith Hernandez is one of the first players people point to, along with Garvey, when they question standards. It's not a new discussion.

I don't disagree that the same thing can be said of Mattingly. But the committee obviously feels differently.

What do you mean by "Keith Hernandez is one of the first players people point to, along with Garvey, when they question standards."

Do you not believe Evans and Hernandez deserve consideration?

[packs]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

What do you mean by "Keith Hernandez is one of the first players people point to, along with Garvey, when they question standards."

Do you not believe Evans and Hernandez deserve consideration?

Is it untrue people often talk about Keith Hernandez and Steve Garvey as being stiffed by the HOF?

I don't believe either player is a HOFer either, but I don't think that factored into the committee's decision not to revisit their cases.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

Is it untrue people often talk about Keith Hernandez and Steve Garvey as being stiffed by the HOF?

I don't believe either player is a HOFer either, but I don't think that factored into the committee's decision not to revisit their cases.

People talk about Hernandez being stiffed by the writers. But he has never even been considered by any Committees. And his case is significantly stronger than Garvey's.

[packs]

Maybe he hasn't been considered because his case isn't seen as being strong? That's what I've been saying.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by packs

Maybe he hasn't been considered because his case isn't seen as being strong? That's what I've been saying.

I am presuming that the current Contemporary Committee feels that way. But I don't agree with them, and also don't think it is fair to keep including the same people in Committee votes. Hernandez does quite well with modern sabermetrics because of his extremely high career OBP (.384) and solid WAR (60.3).

Its unfortunate that the Committee doesn't appear to recognize this. If they did, Whitaker would be on the ballot as well.

[lampertb]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I am presuming that the current Contemporary Committee feels that way. But I don't agree with them, and also don't think it is fair to keep including the same people in Committee votes. Hernandez does quite well with modern sabermetrics because of his extremely high career OBP (.384) and solid WAR (60.3).

Its unfortunate that the Committee doesn't appear to recognize this. If they did, Whitaker would be on the ballot as well.

As in Lou Whitaker?

[G1911]

Evans and Hernandez are clearly fringe candidates, as are Mattingly and Murphy. There are only 8 slots, and in recent years the writers have failed to elect some obvious hall of famers and true greats. No list of 8 is going to include everyone with a decent argument. If anything 8 is too many, it may well be a 0 electee year with too many split priorities for anyone here to get 12/16.