Amazing 1989 Fleer Bill Ripken find

[steve B]

Now that I didn't know.

Great info to have.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Now that I didn't know.

Great info to have.

From your post it seemed to me that was info you didn't know. Does it change any of your thoughts on them?

[steve B]

Not really.

The differences are such a very mixed bag of things fakers would do and things they wouldn't.

What I'm confident saying - They were not a pack issued or complete set card.

To some that might be all they need to call them fake.

Some of the differences are not sensible for someone faking them.
It's a really strange thing, and hopefully I will be able to get one from the new hoard.

I probably have the high res scans I did when I had one in hand.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Not really.

The differences are such a very mixed bag of things fakers would do and things they wouldn't.

What I'm confident saying - They were not a pack issued or complete set card.

To some that might be all they need to call them fake.

Some of the differences are not sensible for someone faking them.
It's a really strange thing, and hopefully I will be able to get one from the new hoard.

I probably have the high res scans I did when I had one in hand.

If you just want one to check out for a while PM me I will send you mine.

[steve B]

Jon sent one to me along with a normal error. And a Canadian card?

I did I think 1200 dpi scans of both, and measured things like thickness. Also compared how they looked under short and long wave UV.

Going on the assumption that they're fake, it's the most mixed bag of great and sloppy work you could think of.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Jon sent one to me along with a normal error. And a Canadian card?

I did I think 1200 dpi scans of both, and measured things like thickness. Also compared how they looked under short and long wave UV.

Going on the assumption that they're fake, it's the most mixed bag of great and sloppy work you could think of.

Couldn't agree more. Weird how it was done but I understand why it was done that way.

[steve B]

When were these first discovered?

I was just looking up some info about a thought I had, and I may want one of these even more.

Current technology can digitally produce the plates on the press, with essentially no physical process. Or digitally done but off the press.
The early technologies to do this might explain some of the weirdness.

UV process free plates- Not on press 3M 1995, Kodak 2001. Both failures for a few reasons.

Digital thermal plates- Kodaks fist successful ones 2005 but there were others before that.

https://www.kodak.com/content/produc...e-paper-EN.pdf