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View Poll Results: After paying their dues, should hobbyists who committed fraud be allowed back ?
Yes 67 18.56%
No 257 71.19%
I don't care 37 10.25%
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Old 11-09-2022, 09:39 AM
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I'm with the "it depends" group.

How big of a hobby crime, and what?
And oddly I agree with Snowman, who decides what a hobby crime is?
I'm against cutting up the surviving strip card strips. and think of it as a sort of hobby crime. Others only see the money and say "cut away!" I wouldn't want someone banned if their crime was a fairly minor one.

Someone like Mastro had to have a decent amount of knowledge and connections to do what he did. And yes, that would be a tough call whether the knowledge outweighed the crimes.

I also really doubt that if we go the route of absolutes anyone would still be here.
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Old 11-09-2022, 10:41 AM
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Was Mastro ever a part of Net54?
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Old 11-09-2022, 11:12 AM
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Was Mastro ever a part of Net54?

Leon- Do a “mashup” using their eBay ID and display their Feedback rating in parenthesis next to their userid on this forum. I’ll bet 90%+ are on eBay.


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Old 11-09-2022, 11:19 AM
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Leon- Do a “mashup” using their eBay ID and display their Feedback rating in parenthesis next to their userid on this forum. I’ll bet 90%+ are on eBay.


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Old 11-09-2022, 11:37 AM
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Why would I care if someone is on ebay?
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Positive or Negative feedback rating could give you a current indication of their trustworthiness at least in the BST section.


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Old 11-09-2022, 11:42 AM
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eBay feedback ratings are a joke. You can't leave feedback for buyers and if you leave a negative feedback for a seller, eBay just removes it 90% of the time anyhow.
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Old 11-09-2022, 11:45 AM
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It’s at least an available tool that has feedback for scamming sellers. I’d think people would want that if the BST is to be opened up to even well-known fraudsters. I still cannot imagine why anyone besides a scammer would want to allow scammers and fraudsters into the BST in the first place. Looks like we’re at about 19% that are okay with it or approve.
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Was Mastro ever a part of Net54?
I don't think so, though I know he has read, or reads, it.

And to Steve right above, I think if you went to jail for something you did in the hobby, that is my definition of a hobby crime. If you are well known, with evidence, as someone who commits fraud in the hobby, that would probably be the same. Think Moser, Desmond etc...
On top of that, if anyone knows any member that has completely reneged in an auction, I would appreciate a PM (kept anonymous) to follow up on.

I appreciate a lot of members saying leave it up to me, but that was what I was hoping not to do . It's been a good discussion so far and I am not surprised by the results. It's not a black and white subject.

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Old 11-10-2022, 08:36 AM
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I don't think so, though I know he has read, or reads, it.

And to Steve right above, I think if you went to jail for something you did in the hobby, that is my definition of a hobby crime. If you are well known, with evidence, as someone who commits fraud in the hobby, that would probably be the same. Think Moser, Desmond etc...
On top of that, if anyone knows any member that has completely reneged in an auction, I would appreciate a PM (kept anonymous) to follow up on.

I appreciate a lot of members saying leave it up to me, but that was what I was hoping not to do . It's been a good discussion so far and I am not surprised by the results. It's not a black and white subject.

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I'm probably ok with it depending on how they act currently.
To get jail time for a hobby fraud I think you probably have to be at a pretty high level. And to get there you need a decent amount of knowledge.
Getting extra scrutiny would go right along with that, as well as not being touchy about the massive amount of static they'll get here.

If someone wants to come share that knowledge I'm ok with that.

Sort of an "Info trumps all" thing as opposed to a "Stuff trumps all".
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Was Mastro ever a part of Net54?
Doug Allen sure was.
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Doug Allen sure was.
Anyone at the Net54 dinner, in 2019, knows that. He might have been better off not being here.
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Anyone at the Net54 dinner, in 2019, knows that. He might have been better off not being here.
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