Hall of Fame Ballot Announced

[Jason19th]

I will never understand the outrage about Shilling not being in and the assumption that it is because of his politics. Look at his numbers- the vast majority of guys with those numbers are not in and most have not been controversial exclusions- see Lew Burdette, Ron Guidry, Vida Blue, Kevin Brown, Orel Hershisrer, Mel Harder, Kenny Rodgers, David Wells, Luis Tiante, Wilbur Cooper, Mickey Lolich, Billy Pierce, Bob Welch, Dave Stewart, Denny McClain, Freddie Fitzimmons

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I will never understand the outrage about Shilling not being in and the assumption that it is because of his politics. Look at his numbers- the vast majority of guys with those numbers are not in and most have not been controversial exclusions- see Lew Burdette, Ron Guidry, Vida Blue, Kevin Brown, Orel Hershisrer, Mel Harder, Kenny Rodgers, David Wells, Luis Tiante, Wilbur Cooper, Mickey Lolich, Billy Pierce, Bob Welch, Dave Stewart, Denny McClain, Freddie Fitzimmons

Somewhat amazingly, the writers gave Curt 71.1% of the vote in 2021, which seems high based on the comps that you mentioned. Particularly for the writers, who seem to be pretty picky of late.

[frankbmd]

What if 75% of the voters (the dirty dozen) are on steroids? Will anyone care if these dudes are in the HOF in fifty years?

[timn1]

Correct - I despise Schilling but if he had Clemens' numbers he would be in for sure. He's just not there stats-wise. I'd much rather see Orel Hershiser get in, or Billy Pierce, or Tiant.

McGriff played in an era of much less offense than the Bonds/Palmeiro group. He belongs in the Hall, I think. Mattingly I'm on the fence about. Murphy not quite...

Originally Posted by Jason19th

I will never understand the outrage about Shilling not being in and the assumption that it is because of his politics. Look at his numbers- the vast majority of guys with those numbers are not in and most have not been controversial exclusions- see Lew Burdette, Ron Guidry, Vida Blue, Kevin Brown, Orel Hershisrer, Mel Harder, Kenny Rodgers, David Wells, Luis Tiante, Wilbur Cooper, Mickey Lolich, Billy Pierce, Bob Welch, Dave Stewart, Denny McClain, Freddie Fitzimmons

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by timn1

McGriff played in an era of much less offense than the Bonds/Palmeiro group.

McGriff: 1986-2004

Bonds: 1986-2007

Palmiero: 1986-2005

[Mike D.]

By my count, there have been 19 pitchers with 200 career wins and 3,000 strikeouts.

Not in the HOF:

- Clemens (on this ballot)
- Schilling (on this ballot)
- Verlander (active)
- Scherzer (active)
- Sabathia (not yet eligible)

If you prefer WAR, Schilling is 26th all time among SP's.

Those above him not in the HOF:

- Roger Clemens

[mainemule]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

By my count, there have been 19 pitchers with 200 career wins and 3,000 strikeouts.

Not in the HOF:

- Clemens (on this ballot)
- Schilling (on this ballot)
- Verlander (active)
- Scherzer (active)
- Sabathia (not yet eligible)

If you prefer WAR, Schilling is 26th all time among SP's.

Those above him not in the HOF:

- Roger Clemens

3 WS rings, a 4th Series with the Phillies, broke the "Curse," crazy all-around playoff and WS numbers- these all matter.....

His post-career behavior has clearly kept him out.

He also won the Clemente award so he did have a period of good character for sure.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by mainemule

3 WS rings, a 4th Series with the Phillies, broke the "Curse," crazy all-around playoff and WS numbers- these all matter.....

His post-career behavior has clearly kept him out.

He also won the Clemente award so he did have a period of good character for sure.

I'm pretty sure we are supposed to memory hole Schilling's charity work. People are not people anymore with strength and weakness and complexities, they are one dimensional heroes or villains based on today's narrative.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

McGriff: 1986-2004

Bonds: 1986-2007

Palmiero: 1986-2005

I laughed

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

McGriff: 1986-2004

Bonds: 1986-2007

Palmiero: 1986-2005

It's those 2005-2007 years that make all the difference.