New Buck Ewing cabinet card, provenance needed?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I am shocked that a newly discovered cabinet of Cy Young from his rookie year has not sold yet. I wonder why that is...

I can’t imagine!

[JustinD]

I got to add a second person to my ignore list today…

[Detroit58]

Is there anybody on this forum who knows who these players are being represented? I ain’t no joker. Straight business here. I take my work very serious. There isn’t anybody who is capable here of doing facial recognition48BA401C-D135-4B27-B29F-D54761982085.jpg

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I think I see Bob "Death to Logical Things" Ferguson in one of them.

[Klrdds]

Hey Detroit I gave it a shot so I may be wrong on facial analysis but I know an a**hole when I see one

[Detroit58]

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

[Detroit58]

You want to discuss the Ewing cards or continue the character assasination?

[Detroit58]

Can we discuss the Ewing cards or would you like to proceed on the character assassination?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

The only thing honest here is the people calling out your false claims. Good luck selling this cabinet of a random guy for HOF Baseball prices

[D. Bergin]

This is what happens when Q starts collecting sports memorabilia.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

This is what happens when Q starts collecting sports memorabilia.

I got a good laugh at this one

[Detroit58]

Just asking for the reasons why people are saying what they are. It’s been mostly just some people talking at me. Is it safe to say it is debatable at the very least these are Ewing? Don’t see where that invites name calling and crudeness. It’s obvious something else is at play. To touch back on that I am a man of my word, I made a offer to your King Kahoona awhile back and it still stands. I’m sure it don’t mean much to him, but it stands. You can still go on being my nemesis either way

[Detroit58]

Which player is the King Kahoona partial to? Lip Pike I think? I got 5. We can kick around see which one the peanut gallery agrees most on and it’s yours. I don’t hold grudges and I do apologize again. I thanked you from the start and I still thank you today. I have come a long way since we last talked. I think you can see that. Let me know who you looking for Kahoona. You did teach me a thing or 2 so I think I got some stuff ip your alley. You can still hate my guts. I do understand gratitude

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Which player is the King Kahoona partial to? Lip Pike I think? I got 5. We can kick around see which one the peanut gallery agrees most on and it’s yours. I don’t hold grudges and I do apologize again. I thanked you from the start and I still thank you today. I have come a long way since we last talked. I think you can see that. Let me know who you looking for Kahoona. You did teach me a thing or 2 so I think I got some stuff ip your alley. You can still hate my guts. I do understand gratitude

You need to stop collecting photos. Seriously, you need to stop.

Some people are very good at photo recognition. Some people are terrible at it.

You are worse than terrible at this.

You claim to have 5 Lipman Pike photos from where? Where is the provenance for any of the photos?

Seriously, stop collecting photos!

You came on here to hear what you wanted to hear. You didn’t and are now angry. It is hard to hear the truth but none of your photos are what you claim them to be and deep down inside you know it is true. You are at best incredibly naive and ignorant and at worse an outright fraudster.

[Leon]

If you take down all of your ebay listings and put them in a scrapbook, then into your attic forever, then you will have come a long ways. Until then, you are still trying to commit fraud, to me. This Wagner photo is hilarious. It's just some guys picture next to an Honus picture.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13430149193...Bk9SR5iR056DYQ

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Which player is the King Kahoona partial to? Lip Pike I think? I got 5. We can kick around see which one the peanut gallery agrees most on and it’s yours. I don’t hold grudges and I do apologize again. I thanked you from the start and I still thank you today. I have come a long way since we last talked. I think you can see that. Let me know who you looking for Kahoona. You did teach me a thing or 2 so I think I got some stuff ip your alley. You can still hate my guts. I do understand gratitude

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

Nope, this place is not about character assassination. This board probably has the most knowledgeable group of virtually assembled members than ANY OTHER community in the world when it comes to baseball collectibles and cards.

It's possible, probably highly likely, that many board members are so tired of this hobby being littered with crap and when posts start showing up about highly "suspect" collectibles, there tends to be this type of reaction, especially when the poster is relatively new with so few posts.

Hang in there - you can learn a lot from this cast of personalities. Don't take things so personally. Wouldn't you rather sell something that is truly legitimate rather than a 95% possible match and then find the person that bought something like this wants a refund because the fall from the turnip truck woke them up.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by detroit58

thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but i stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

dbad!!!!!

[steve B]

I know some rudiments to facial recognition, but it takes time, and I'm not wasting that on things that are obvious. The Cy Young images have one glaring difference that makes going further pointless. If you can't spot it you're either not cut out for this, or are deliberately misrepresenting things.

I haven't heard of Amazon doing facial recognition software, which seems to be what you use. If they do, I would expect it's experimental, or intended to locate similar products, not identify people precisely.
The "screenshots" of that recognition software were incredibly unconvincing. They look like something poorly cobbled together in Paint.

To use a set of standards,
You say it's your work. Do you work in FR or a related field?
If so, exactly what are you using to do those comparisons? What software? Or some old fashioned manual technique like I'd use. (And based on my drafting training.)
What is your methodology? And is it a standard accepted method with consistently repeatable results? Or some new thing you've come up with on your own.

In a different way of looking at it.
I've collected a variety of stuff for over 40 years. I've looked at literally thousands of antique images, maybe into the 5 figures, who keeps count. In all that time I've seen a handful of baseball images, nearly all of them amateur players in uniform. Even pictures of people at work - termed occupationals by the old photo people- aren't at all common. Since 1977 I've gotten exactly one very odd one that I put in the "maybe but probably not" category

So yeah, I have my doubts about someone finding several images of baseball figures in street clothes in a relatively short time without some rational explanation like "I bought a box of photos from a players family member"

[gabrinus]

2 Buck Ewings...Jerry

[the-illini]

A new listing! His most significant discovery yet...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13430149193...4AAOSw5bljWek9

[sb1]

Having scanned the entire thread of the images you supplied with their purported match, you don't have any that match.

No provenance needed, no photo match needed, no ears, no nothing, just decades of looking at and handling the real images of these players both in and out of uniform.