New Buck Ewing cabinet card, provenance needed?

[Baseball Rarities]

Not to convolute this thread, but I thought that everyone would like to see the images from the Young ebay listing that was referenced above.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13429904093...=20001&mkevt=1

[the-illini]

I am shocked that a newly discovered cabinet of Cy Young from his rookie year has not sold yet. I wonder why that is...

[Detroit58]

Does anyone on this site know how to do facial recognition?

[Detroit58]

This site don’t seem very legit lot of words, no substance

[Detroit58]

Does anybody who frequents this site have skills with facial recognition? I’m anxious in anticipation. I know you guys got somebody

[Detroit58]

I see a lot of my work. Anybody know how to do facial recognition. I know you’re all great with the keyboards. Anybody know how to do side by sides?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Does anyone on this site know how to do facial recognition?

I believe most of the experts on N54 start with "the ears don't match". Then things progress from there... I can almost recall in one thread that two guys almost got into a fight, right here on the board, because one of the guys said the portrait of Dummy Hoy couldn't be him because "he had ears"...

It's a tough crowd here, but you're not going to find more honest or better opinions for this type of topic on ANY OTHER internet board.

Doug - apology accepted. Frigging keyboard needed to be cleaned anyway...

[G1911]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I am shocked that a newly discovered cabinet of Cy Young from his rookie year has not sold yet. I wonder why that is...

I can’t imagine!

[JustinD]

I got to add a second person to my ignore list today…

[Detroit58]

Is there anybody on this forum who knows who these players are being represented? I ain’t no joker. Straight business here. I take my work very serious. There isn’t anybody who is capable here of doing facial recognition48BA401C-D135-4B27-B29F-D54761982085.jpg

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I think I see Bob "Death to Logical Things" Ferguson in one of them.

[Klrdds]

Hey Detroit I gave it a shot so I may be wrong on facial analysis but I know an a**hole when I see one

[Detroit58]

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

[Detroit58]

You want to discuss the Ewing cards or continue the character assasination?

[Detroit58]

Can we discuss the Ewing cards or would you like to proceed on the character assassination?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

The only thing honest here is the people calling out your false claims. Good luck selling this cabinet of a random guy for HOF Baseball prices

[Detroit58]

Just asking for the reasons why people are saying what they are. It’s been mostly just some people talking at me. Is it safe to say it is debatable at the very least these are Ewing? Don’t see where that invites name calling and crudeness. It’s obvious something else is at play. To touch back on that I am a man of my word, I made a offer to your King Kahoona awhile back and it still stands. I’m sure it don’t mean much to him, but it stands. You can still go on being my nemesis either way

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Detroit58

Thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but I stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

Nope, this place is not about character assassination. This board probably has the most knowledgeable group of virtually assembled members than ANY OTHER community in the world when it comes to baseball collectibles and cards.

It's possible, probably highly likely, that many board members are so tired of this hobby being littered with crap and when posts start showing up about highly "suspect" collectibles, there tends to be this type of reaction, especially when the poster is relatively new with so few posts.

Hang in there - you can learn a lot from this cast of personalities. Don't take things so personally. Wouldn't you rather sell something that is truly legitimate rather than a 95% possible match and then find the person that bought something like this wants a refund because the fall from the turnip truck woke them up.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by detroit58

thus is what this forum is about? Character assassination? I came here with some honest stuff and honest questions? That’s how you come at me? This stuff is on record forever. I don’t claim to be perfect, but i stand by my stuff and most of all my word. I learn quick what most of your words are worth. There is something toxic about this place.

dbad!!!!!

[steve B]

I know some rudiments to facial recognition, but it takes time, and I'm not wasting that on things that are obvious. The Cy Young images have one glaring difference that makes going further pointless. If you can't spot it you're either not cut out for this, or are deliberately misrepresenting things.

I haven't heard of Amazon doing facial recognition software, which seems to be what you use. If they do, I would expect it's experimental, or intended to locate similar products, not identify people precisely.
The "screenshots" of that recognition software were incredibly unconvincing. They look like something poorly cobbled together in Paint.

To use a set of standards,
You say it's your work. Do you work in FR or a related field?
If so, exactly what are you using to do those comparisons? What software? Or some old fashioned manual technique like I'd use. (And based on my drafting training.)
What is your methodology? And is it a standard accepted method with consistently repeatable results? Or some new thing you've come up with on your own.

In a different way of looking at it.
I've collected a variety of stuff for over 40 years. I've looked at literally thousands of antique images, maybe into the 5 figures, who keeps count. In all that time I've seen a handful of baseball images, nearly all of them amateur players in uniform. Even pictures of people at work - termed occupationals by the old photo people- aren't at all common. Since 1977 I've gotten exactly one very odd one that I put in the "maybe but probably not" category

So yeah, I have my doubts about someone finding several images of baseball figures in street clothes in a relatively short time without some rational explanation like "I bought a box of photos from a players family member"

[sb1]

Having scanned the entire thread of the images you supplied with their purported match, you don't have any that match.

No provenance needed, no photo match needed, no ears, no nothing, just decades of looking at and handling the real images of these players both in and out of uniform.