“Someone got a great deal on that”

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

His gruff voice is inelegantly perfect. His "I am My Brother's Keeper" album with his brother is one of my favorite overlooked gems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOroYBb0uY

Eddie Kendricks was no slouch either. Get Ready is so classic.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah I was going to add that David Ruffin was otherworldly. The orchestration of the song is brilliant too, the whole thing is perfect.

Okay. I guess music is it.

If we’re going there, then we should probably talk about the Man, the Poet, the Master Storyteller, the Legend.

Best song by Sting. His work with the Police is fair game, because why not?

Two divisions:

1) Songs everyone knows because they’re on the radio every day.
2) All the rest.

I’ll start first:

1) Roxanne. You might question the wisdom in selecting a song about a lady of the evening, but I would argue that this is actually about true love and seeing someone for who they really are, and not based on their imperfections and mistakes in life. You might argue for Tomorrow We’ll See since it covers the same themes, but then again, they don’t play it on the radio, so it’s disqualified.

2) Seven Days. I mean, if you’re going to have an ultimatum, then you at least need time to think about it. Plus anything with unusual time signatures is bound to be worth bonus points. And the fact that we are left with a cliffhanger, wondering how he actually responded to the ultimatum? Pure gravy.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Eddie Kendricks was no slouch either. Get Ready is so classic.

Another excellent pick. I’d let you DJ my parties

[Peter_Spaeth]

Interesting that you would think of stiing in those terms. Not being critical at all. Just that I am a bit older and I would speak that way of Bob Dylan and Paul Simon for example, but not Sting. Each generation/age group see it differently.

[JimmyC]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

LeBron? Brady? How about spending over a million dollars on a Justin Herbert card?

Insane…..sorry, but it is….

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Why do I think we are going to be hearing a lot of that in the coming months?

Market is totally resetting. Won’t be every item but will be most.

At least we are not modern baseball or modern basketball. Vintage will be fine. Some bumps in the road but fine.

Going back to the original topic but have no problem with the latter.

Resetting and having some auctioneers bidding up others lots on eBay and elsewhere to buy for their next dates. There are the pitfalls to caution against.

Then, of course, shill bidding.

[Exhibitman]

This thread in songs:

Card values will fall: well it’s too late baby now it’s too late.

Card values will go up: I’m walking on sunshine and don’t it feel good

Card values will stagnate: you’re still the same

I’m a superior collector who just collects for love and doesn’t care about values anyway: We're still having fun and you're still the one

I predict the market will go up or down or stagnate. Some people will get great deals, some will make stupid buys, and some will do nothing at all. We done?

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Much like real estate this is true, rare vintage pre war is like beachfront property. If a Cobb I want was 3k but is now 6k the only question is can I afford it, because at the next up cycle it will be worth 9-12k.

Soon to be under water?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Why do I think we are going to be hearing a lot of that in the coming months?

Market is totally resetting. Won’t be every item but will be most.

At least we are not modern baseball or modern basketball. Vintage will be fine. Some bumps in the road but fine.

a tale as old as time, will always see a thread like this every year or so..

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting that you would think of stiing in those terms. Not being critical at all. Just that I am a bit older and I would speak that way of Bob Dylan and Paul Simon for example, but not Sting. Each generation/age group see it differently.

No worries. If it makes you feel any better, your preferred artists aren’t particularly inspiring to me. I mean, I’ll take Me and Julio Down By The Schoolyard, but probably leave all of Dylan.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by JimmyC

Vintage aint’ slowin’ down…my suggestion is to buy as much vintage at decent prices - and then continue to buy more - at decent prices…..the “fad” crowd spending hundreds - thousands - tens of thousands - hundreds of thousands and more for post 80 “limited” - “special” - one of ten cards will be begging you to sell your vintage….why anyone would spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on Brady, Trout and LeBummer “cards” is beyond comprehension….

IMHO

I went to walmart the other day and decided I would go see if they had a box of cards I could open. A year ago you could not find one. Well, there had to be 200 boxes on the shelf. I couldn't believe it. Guess the new card market is taking a hit.

[jamest206]

I love my latest addition, with more coming to me similar to this, and we know who this guy is. I am grabbing everything I can on him for numerous reasons. How about his performance last night? Guess we know who still owns “King” James, none other than the greatest……….

Don’t ask how it got a 7 either, but it is graded by PSA & sealed from the era that matters!!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He was the best.

Don't care much about the shiny shit.
Not even a little bit.
But I know one thing is true.
Vintage will stick like glue.
What a wonderful world it would be.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Frank A

I went to walmart the other day and decided I would go see if they had a box of cards I could open. A year ago you could not find one. Well, there had to be 200 boxes on the shelf. I couldn't believe it. Guess the new card market is taking a hit.

it not really the new cards...cards are like the gum these days..the inserts or 'rarer' version of the base cards are the cards

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

No worries. If it makes you feel any better, your preferred artists aren’t particularly inspiring to me. I mean, I’ll take Me and Julio Down By The Schoolyard, but probably leave all of Dylan.

And to me Roxanne is a good song but I can live without the rest. I think it's a matter of what we grew up with sticks the most.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And to me Roxanne is a good song but I can live without the rest. I think it's a matter of what we grew up with sticks the most.

Really? No love for:

Every breath you take
Fields of gold
Every little thing she does is magic
King of pain
If I ever lose my faith in you
Don't stand so close to me
If you love somebody
Brand new day
It's probably me
We'll be together

And those are just the ones they play on the radio all the time...

None of them do it for you?

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by raulus

Really? No love for:

Every breath you take
Fields of gold
Every little thing she does is magic
King of pain
If I ever lose my faith in you
Don't stand so close to me
If you love somebody
Brand new day
It's probably me
We'll be together

And those are just the ones they play on the radio all the time...

None of them do it for you?

Every breath you take - Will always be a classic even if overplayed
Fields of gold - Horrible
Every little thing she does is magic -Decent+
King of pain - Better than decent
If I ever lose my faith in you - Hurts my ears
Don't stand so close to me - Decent
If you love somebody - Not great, not horrible
Brand new day - Not great work
It's probably me - No idea what this is
We'll be together - Horrible

I was 13 when Synchronicity came out so I have fond memories of songs from that album. Sting solo is not my cup of tea and in my opinion, very overrated.

[G1911]

The new card market is doing well, Topps and Panini have increased supply to meet the new demand and aren't having the same massive delays from Covid regulations in getting product made, out the door, and shipped in a timely manner (like all the 2021 sets released months into 2022).

Whether it will continue to do so is an open question. I don't see why vintage would outperform the top modern cards of top stars the buying market will have memories of. I doubt buying high end Lebron will really backfire over the long haul.

[G1911]

And,

Bob Dylan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sting

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

And,

Bob Dylan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sting

All right. I guess I'm among philistines...

And I'm okay with that. Enjoy your Dylan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Really? No love for:

Every breath you take
Fields of gold
Every little thing she does is magic
King of pain
If I ever lose my faith in you
Don't stand so close to me
If you love somebody
Brand new day
It's probably me
We'll be together

And those are just the ones they play on the radio all the time...

None of them do it for you?

I know the songs, I don't dislike them, just wouldn't be on my play list.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by raulus

All right. I guess I'm among philistines...

And I'm okay with that. Enjoy your Dylan.

If Dylan is uncultured and unartistic philistinism, then I am a happy Philistine

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

If Dylan is uncultured and unartistic philistinism, then I am a happy Philistine

What do you consider his best work? I guess most hard core fans would choose Highway 61 Revisited or Bringing it All Back Home but my favorite is probably Blood on the Tracks.

[Snapolit1]

I wonder if guys on Sam Cooke and Bob Dylan collector chat boards comment about the state of the market for their mementos and artifacts and then other guys call them out on how boring an issue that is and how it's been beaten to death and then for some reason start steering the discussion towards variations in T206 tobacco cards?

Just wondering.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What do you consider his best work? I guess most hard core fans would choose Highway 61 Revisited or Bringing it All Back Home but my favorite is probably Blood on the Tracks.

I think his best is the Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, The Times They Are A Changin' and Blood on the Tracks. Blood on the Tracks I have probably played the most.

Nashville Skyline is a favorite LP, but I do not think it is objectively all that good, I just like the country sound of that recording personally. I also really like his fairly recent music. "I Contain Multitudes" from a couple years ago is a beautiful poem and a favorite now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-e...joWaUg0GKoL-UV). Tangled Up In Blue and Boots of Spanish Leather are probably my two most played tracks from him.

I get why people don't like him, he is really bad at actually singing from an objective standpoint, but I love literature and poetry and so he really does it for me. He has a wonderful way of piecing together images and metaphors into an oft vague but meaningful whole.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I wonder if guys on Sam Cooke and Bob Dylan collector chat boards comment about the state of the market for their mementos and artifacts and then other guys call them out on how boring an issue that is and how it's been beaten to death and then for some reason start steering the discussion towards variations in T206 tobacco cards?

Just wondering.

I am sure they also sometimes wander off into other things and have a good time together. I am sorry for partaking in the hijacking. Come sing and dance and be merry with us

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I wonder if guys on Sam Cooke and Bob Dylan collector chat boards comment about the state of the market for their mementos and artifacts and then other guys call them out on how boring an issue that is and how it's been beaten to death and then for some reason start steering the discussion towards variations in T206 tobacco cards?

Just wondering.

Totally.

And are you admitting that you wander over to those boards to talk about T206s?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think his best is the Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, The Times They Are A Changin' and Blood on the Tracks. Blood on the Tracks I have probably played the most.

Nashville Skyline is a favorite LP, but I do not think it is objectively all that good, I just like the country sound of that recording personally. I also really like his fairly recent music. "I Contain Multitudes" from a couple years ago is a beautiful poem and a favorite now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-e...joWaUg0GKoL-UV). Tangled Up In Blue and Boots of Spanish Leather are probably my two most played tracks from him.

I get why people don't like him, he is really bad at actually singing from an objective standpoint, but I love literature and poetry and so he really does it for me. He has a wonderful way of piecing together images and metaphors into an oft vague but meaningful whole.

If phrasing and connection not just voice make a great singer, he is a great singer. Billie Holiday comes to mind. Judy Garland. Jagger.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by G1911

And,

Bob Dylan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sting

I think that needs a qualification as to only Dylan recordings prior to completely losing his voice.

I have seen The Police and Sting solo, also seen Dylan but I would fully advise against it as he is now a barely understandable shadow of his youth. If we are comparing albums Dylan is a genius, if you are planning your summer concerts skip it and spend on some vintage vinyl.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think his best is the Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, The Times They Are A Changin' and Blood on the Tracks. Blood on the Tracks I have probably played the most.

Nashville Skyline is a favorite LP, but I do not think it is objectively all that good, I just like the country sound of that recording personally. I also really like his fairly recent music. "I Contain Multitudes" from a couple years ago is a beautiful poem and a favorite now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU-e...joWaUg0GKoL-UV). Tangled Up In Blue and Boots of Spanish Leather are probably my two most played tracks from him.

I get why people don't like him, he is really bad at actually singing from an objective standpoint, but I love literature and poetry and so he really does it for me. He has a wonderful way of piecing together images and metaphors into an oft vague but meaningful whole.

front 6 song set for the Concert for Bangladesh is also IMO among his best work, live with George Harrison and Leon Russell up frpmt with him. His voice sounds a little different, I don't think I have heard him sing quite that way on any other album.

[Tere1071]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If phrasing and connection not just voice make a great singer, he is a great singer. Billie Holiday comes to mind. Judy Garland. Jagger.

Don't forget Dinah Washington, great precise phrasing.

Phil aka Tere1071

Complete 1953 Bowman Color, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975 Topps Baseball complete set (under revision).

1970 Topps Baseball set- Need over 100 cards, mostly after 500.
1973 Topps Baseball 647/660

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tere1071

Don't forget Dinah Washington, great precise phrasing.

Phil aka Tere1071

Complete 1953 Bowman Color, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975 Topps Baseball complete set (under revision).

1970 Topps Baseball set- Need over 100 cards, mostly after 500.
1973 Topps Baseball 647/660

Agreed, I thought she also had a good voice though and was just trying to list singers who didn't but were still great.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agreed, I thought she also had a good voice though and was just trying to list singers who didn't but were still great.

Jimmy Durante and Louis Armstrong

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

a tale as old as time, will always see a thread like this every year or so..

Props for quoting the recently deceased Angela Lansbury as the teapot in 'Beauty and the Beast' - 'a tale as old as time....'

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I wonder if guys on Sam Cooke and Bob Dylan collector chat boards comment about the state of the market for their mementos and artifacts and then other guys call them out on how boring an issue that is and how it's been beaten to death and then for some reason start steering the discussion towards variations in T206 tobacco cards?

Just wondering.

The beauty of great conversation is that you are not building a train track, you are making a quilt. Every person contributes their own little scrap to make the whole. Some parts may seem a bit incongruous, but the final product can be quite amazing when viewed as a whole.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Michael B

The beauty of great conversation is that you are not building a train track, you are making a quilt. Every person contributes their own little scrap to make the whole. Some parts may seem a bit incongruous, but the final product can be quite amazing when viewed as a whole.

Very well said. If someone starting a thread is going to get triggered if it evolves in another direction, just take a poll.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

front 6 song set for the Concert for Bangladesh is also IMO among his best work, live with George Harrison and Leon Russell up frpmt with him. His voice sounds a little different, I don't think I have heard him sing quite that way on any other album.

One of my favorite live albums.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think that needs a qualification as to only Dylan recordings prior to completely losing his voice.

I have seen The Police and Sting solo, also seen Dylan but I would fully advise against it as he is now a barely understandable shadow of his youth. If we are comparing albums Dylan is a genius, if you are planning your summer concerts skip it and spend on some vintage vinyl.

I loved his 2020 album, I still like his output. He’s 81, I don’t expect him to sound as good as his youth anymore. Anything we get after over half a century is a welcome bonus.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

One of my favorite live albums.

I don't have the patience for Ravi Shankar, which probably means I need to meditate more. But much great music on the album. Love Leon Russell's version of the Lieber and Stoller/Coasters classic Young Blood. Bob Dylan Live 1966 (with the group that later became The Band but no Levon) is outstanding too. The definitive version IMO of Desolation Row.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't have the patience for Ravi Shankar, which probably means I need to meditate more. But much great music on the album. Love Leon Russell's version of the Lieber and Stoller/Coasters classic Young Blood. Bob Dylan Live 1966 (with the group that later became The Band but no Levon) is outstanding too. The definitive version IMO of Desolation Row.

It really helps it’s peak George Harrison. The All Things Must Pass LP is my favorite Beatles album. Probably an unpopular opinion there.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

It really helps it’s peak George Harrison. The All Things Must Pass LP is my favorite Beatles album. Probably an unpopular opinion there.

Yes I’ve seen the concert described as notice to the world that there were three great Beatles, not just two.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way, the 2003 concert for George is a nice book end to Bangladesh. Clapton, Billy Preston, and I believe Ringo are in both concerts three decades apart.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Michael B

The beauty of great conversation is that you are not building a train track, you are making a quilt. Every person contributes their own little scrap to make the whole. Some parts may seem a bit incongruous, but the final product can be quite amazing when viewed as a whole.

How much weed do you smoke?

[Yoda]

Mama is in the factory making some shoes.
Daddy is in the alley looking for food.
And I'm in the kitchen with the Babe Ruth blues.

[Peter_Spaeth]

John, it's she ain't got no shoes.

[Yoda]

Peter, I stand corrected. Even though I have heard it a bazillion times, 'Positively 4th Street' still resonates.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

How much weed do you smoke?

If it's helpful, we've got a lot here in Oregon. If memory serves, the state recently reported that we had like a 30-year supply...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Peter, I stand corrected. Even though I have heard it a bazillion times, 'Positively 4th Street' still resonates.

John, this is from Tombstone Blues.

[NYYFan63]

Love Dylan…


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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way, the 2003 concert for George is a nice book end to Bangladesh. Clapton, Billy Preston, and I believe Ringo are in both concerts three decades apart.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard it, actually. I will que it up for this evening. If it’s even half as good as Bangladesh I will be thrilled