ebay's authentication service - looking at more than just authenticity

[Cmvorce]

I recently purchased a raw T206 card on ebay that was sent through to their authentication service. This morning I received a call and email from ebay letting me know that the card did indeed come back as authentic, however, there was slight paper loss on the back of the card that was not visible in the seller's listing photos. Ebay informed me, through their authenticator, that this paper loss would not impact the grade of the card if I were to submit for grading, but they were giving me the option of either proceeding with the purchase, or canceling the order for a full refund.

So, the service doesn't seem to be looking at authenticity alone; they are now commenting on condition as well, and allowing buyers to cancel purchases if something comes up that may not have been obvious in the listing.

I just think it's an interesting development, and hadn't seen it before.

PS - I thanked them for their diligence and proceeded with the purchase.

[G1911]

That’s how it’s supposed to work for the raw card version, they advertised it as checking against the accuracy of the listing.

[Cmvorce]

Originally Posted by G1911

That’s how it’s supposed to work for the raw card version, they advertised it as checking against the accuracy of the listing.

I was not aware of that - I’m a fan.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Cmvorce

I was not aware of that - I’m a fan.

I agree I actually like that

Good info and thanks for sharing

[ullmandds]

i'm still a little confused about ebay's service. I've purchased 2 cards last few months that I expected to go through the service...but did not. I'd much rather have raw cards evaluated as compared to cards already graded?

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'm still a little confused about ebay's service. I've purchased 2 cards last few months that I expected to go through the service...but did not. I'd much rather have raw cards evaluated as compared to cards already graded?

Peter,

Were they listed in the proper category (single cards)?

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i'm still a little confused about ebay's service. I've purchased 2 cards last few months that I expected to go through the service...but did not. I'd much rather have raw cards evaluated as compared to cards already graded?

There are ways for sellers to get around the authentication process, putting the word "set" in the title is one way.

[cgjackson222]

That is super-interesting, and I think it is a valuable service ebay is providing.

This would give me more confidence in purchasing from a seller that has a "No Returns" policy.

I was under the impression that the only thing ebay had been doing was verifying the accuracy of the listing's title/description and then sending the card off to verify it's authenticity. I didn't realize they were also checking to see if the listing's title/description OMITTED anything important, such as a defect that was not shown in the pictures.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

That is super-interesting, and I think it is a valuable service ebay is providing.

This would give me more confidence in purchasing from a seller that has a "No Returns" policy.

I was under the impression that the only thing ebay had been doing was verifying the accuracy of the listing's title/description and then sending the card off to verify it's authenticity. I didn't realize they were also checking to see if the listing's title/description OMITTED anything important, such as a defect that was not shown in the pictures.

Just to clarify, a "No returns" policy is not enforcible for a mistake in the listing issue. EBay will side with the buyer every time if that is what is claimed. Buyer's remorse can be impacted by no returns policies, but not listing errors. I am curious how buyer's remorse issues will be handled by the authentication process though.

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[BobC]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

That is super-interesting, and I think it is a valuable service ebay is providing.

This would give me more confidence in purchasing from a seller that has a "No Returns" policy.

I was under the impression that the only thing ebay had been doing was verifying the accuracy of the listing's title/description and then sending the card off to verify it's authenticity. I didn't realize they were also checking to see if the listing's title/description OMITTED anything important, such as a defect that was not shown in the pictures.

Maybe Ebay is in a sense verifying the accuracy of the listing's title/description by ensuring that there are no hidden errors or omissions being kept from the buyer. For example, showing just the front of a card and listing it as selling "as is", with no mention of back damage nor an image of the back included in the listing, is a definite (and likely intentional) inaccurate listing in my book. A seller not mentioning or showing such an obvious flaw, and then trying to hide behind the "as is" clause, is just the kind of crap I can see Ebay not wanting to get stuck in the middle of, or really wanting to be a party to. I can see Ebay giving money back to disgruntled buyers, and not always being able to get it back from the sellers due to their "as is" description and listing. The savings Ebay can thereby realize from such an authentication program may be one reason why they haven't needed to start charging for it.............yet.

[philliesfan]

Interesting for sure.

Also, I have questions about how this service works
.
If I sold a PSA or SGC card for $3,000.00, I have to send it to ebay for authentication.......correct?

Then ebay inspects all aspects of the card, slab tampering, label, item description in the listing including front and back scans for hidden damage and everything is perfect. Then they send the card to the buyer.....correct?

Now if the buyer wants to return the card, is it returned back to ebay for inspection to return back to the seller or does the buyer return directly to the seller? What if the card was switched by the buyer? How is that handled? I would not want to be on the hook especially if ebay handled and approved everything.

thanks,
Bob

[G1911]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

Interesting for sure.

Also, I have questions about how this service works
.
If I sold a PSA or SGC card for $3,000.00, I have to send it to ebay for authentication.......correct?

Then ebay inspects all aspects of the card, slab tampering, label, item description in the listing including front and back scans for hidden damage and everything is perfect. Then they send the card to the buyer.....correct?

Now if the buyer wants to return the card, is it returned back to ebay for inspection to return back to the seller or does the buyer return directly to the seller? What if the card was switched by the buyer? How is that handled? I would not want to be on the hook especially if ebay handled and approved everything.

thanks,
Bob

If the card is already graded, eBay has you send the card to PSA who then authenticates the slab. They do not look at the card at all in the already-graded version. If it passes, it is sent along to the buyer.

[steve B]

Nobody has a thought about the authenticator saying the paper loss won't affect the grade?
That seems wrong unless it was claimed to be a low grade to begin with.

[philo98]

Originally Posted by G1911

If the card is already graded, eBay has you send the card to PSA who then authenticates the slab. They do not look at the card at all in the already-graded version. If it passes, it is sent along to the buyer.

Im in this process for the 1st time for 2 cards authenticated by PSA and 1 by BGS. The sellers are located in VT and NY and it appears the cards are sent all the way to CA for authenticating. Im located in PA and they will then need to be sent back across the country. If Ebay is going to expand this service, it may make sense to open one authentication location on the East Coast, or even in the middle of the country to service all regions. Two of the cards were purchased on October 18th and the estimated delivery date to my home is November 9th.

[raulus]

That is definitely interesting.

I recently purchased a card graded by SGC that went through the eBay authentication process. When it got to the 3rd party, they noticed that the case had popped open, although the card was undamaged. They gave me the option of proceeding with the purchase, or rejecting it.

I also recently sold 2 PSA graded cards on eBay in 2 separate transactions, within 24 hours of one another. One for $3k, and another for $1.95k. The one for $1.95k was a tallboy case, and went to the authenticator. The one for $3k was a jumbo case, and didn't go to the authenticator. Not sure if the size made a difference, or if there were other features that caused one to go through the authentication process, and the other to skip it. Obviously it wasn't the price that drove the different outcomes.

Personally, as a seller, I would have preferred that they both go through authentication, just to avoid having the possibility of the buyer claiming that they never got their item, or that there was something wrong with it.

[jamest206]

I am still waiting for a month on a payment from eBay for 2k, since they needed to authenticate me. Never mind I have been able to still purchase and bid, and pay within 12 hours of winning. So finally, after three attempts, was told needed to show license, and copies of receipts and invoices to people that purchased from me last month. Sent a front and back of drivers license, as well as screen shots of information off my iPad of everything they wanted, per what they told me. We will see if I get my money they have sat on for a month as of today, in the next few days. Glad they are actually doing some work on their end finally, but need to still step their game up for those of us who make them money.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by jamest206

I am still waiting for a month on a payment from eBay for 2k, since they needed to authenticate me. Never mind I have been able to still purchase and bid, and pay within 12 hours of winning. So finally, after three attempts, was told needed to show license, and copies of receipts and invoices to people that purchased from me last month. Sent a front and back of drivers license, as well as screen shots of information off my iPad of everything they wanted, per what they told me. We will see if I get my money they have sat on for a month as of today, in the next few days. Glad they are actually doing some work on their end finally, but need to still step their game up for those of us who make them money.

Is this your first eBay sale? Have you been on the platform long? Have you been buying for years?

I did find that when I made my first major sale of $10k+, eBay held onto my cash for a while until the buyer got the item. But that only lasted for a few days, and definitely not for a whole month.

[jamest206]

Originally Posted by raulus

Is this your first eBay sale? Have you been on the platform long? Have you been buying for years?

I did find that when I made my first major sale of $10k+, eBay held onto my cash for a while until the buyer got the item. But that only lasted for a few days, and definitely not for a whole month.

No, I have been selling for a couple years, and buying. This sale was of individual items, none individually sold for over $300. I sold earlier this year as well. So the amount, after taxes AND eBay skimming, is $1700.

If anyone else has this issue, after the third time doing a live chat, I finally got the simple answer I needed. eBay has some flaws they still need to work on.

They claim every seller is having to do this.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by jamest206

No, I have been selling for a couple years, and buying. This sale was of individual items, none individually sold for over $300. I sold earlier this year as well. So the amount, after taxes AND eBay skimming, is $1700.

If anyone else has this issue, after the third time doing a live chat, I finally got the simple answer I needed. eBay has some flaws they still need to work on.

They claim every seller is having to do this.

One of the biggest flaws they need to work on is if you have your mail delivered to a PO box the item doesn't go through the process but the no return policy is still in affect so if there is something wrong with the item the buyer can't return it even though it didn't go through the process.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by raulus

I also recently sold 2 PSA graded cards on eBay in 2 separate transactions, within 24 hours of one another. One for $3k, and another for $1.95k. The one for $1.95k was a tallboy case, and went to the authenticator. The one for $3k was a jumbo case, and didn't go to the authenticator. Not sure if the size made a difference, or if there were other features that caused one to go through the authentication process, and the other to skip it.

Was the buyer for the one that didn't go through authentication either international or used a P.O. Box for shipping address? I believe neither of those will trigger authenticity check.

So if anyone feels strongly about opting out of this process and you buy enough, I guess you could get a PO Box and have AG purchases shipped there instead.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Was the buyer for the one that didn't go through authentication either international or used a P.O. Box for shipping address? I believe neither of those will trigger authenticity check.

So if anyone feels strongly about opting out of this process and you buy enough, I guess you could get a PO Box and have AG purchases shipped there instead.

Turns out both addresses were domestic, and neither was a PO Box. So that wouldn’t explain the difference either.

[John V]

How does the authentication process impact seller (or buyer) fees, if at all?

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by John V

How does the authentication process impact seller (or buyer) fees, if at all?

Right now it doesn't, but eventually they're going to start charging for it.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by raulus

Turns out both addresses were domestic, and neither was a PO Box. So that wouldn’t explain the difference either.

There are several ways a seller can bypass the Authenticity Guarantee. The most well-known one is putting “ Set Break” in the title. Other ways are: 1) Cards ( plural) is in the title,2) “ Free Local Pick up” is offered, 3) Signed cards are exempted ( this also occurs if Signature is marked yes/original in the detailed description even if the card isn’t signed, 4) it also has to be sold under Sports Cards ( e.g. if you sell an Exhibit under Post Cards it won’t go through the Authenticity program).

It would be helpful if you show us the Titles ( or some fascimile of them) to find out why it didn’t go through the process.

The below won’t go through because it has “Sets” in the title and algorithm reads it as Multiple cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39430471677...Bk9SR8zGr_CDYQ

Whereas, this one doesn’t have “ Sets” in the title and it’ll be authenticated

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19541297223...3ABFBMvsbO8INh

[raulus]

Originally Posted by EddieP

There are several ways a seller can bypass the Authenticity Guarantee. The most well-known one is putting “ Set Break” in the title. Other ways are: 1) Cards ( plural) is in the title,2) “ Free Local Pick up” is offered, 3) Signed cards are exempted ( this also occurs if Signature is marked yes/original in the detailed description even if the card isn’t signed, 4) it also has to be sold under Sports Cards ( e.g. if you sell an Exhibit under Post Cards it won’t go through the Authenticity program).

It would be helpful if you show us the Titles ( or some fascimile of them) to find out why it didn’t go through the process.

The below won’t go through because it has “Sets” in the title and algorithm reads it as Multiple cards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39430471677...Bk9SR8zGr_CDYQ

Whereas, this one doesn’t have “ Sets” in the title and it’ll be authenticated

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19541297223...3ABFBMvsbO8INh

It’s possible that I checked a box or used a word somewhere in my listing that inadvertently resulted in the authenticity process being inapplicable.

But if you want to dig in further, here’s the first listing that went to PSA for authenticity confirmation:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13377172387...mis&media=COPY

And here’s the second that went straight to the buyer:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13420181499...mis&media=COPY

[npa589]

I know what the policy says, but either the TPG is entirely and consistently incompetent, or they really are only checking for authenticity. For example, undisclosed trims are getting through the authentication process with ease.


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[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by npa589

I know what the policy says, but either the TPG is entirely and consistently incompetent, or they really are only checking for authenticity. For example, undisclosed trims are getting through the authentication process with ease.


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You have some examples to share with us?

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[npa589]

I've had it happen a couple times just in the past couple months - would prefer not to say exactly what they were - so I guess you'll just have to believe me. The seller made sure to write "100% authentic" - perhaps that's the loophole?

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

You have some examples to share with us?

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[the 'stache]

I'm sure this has been answered in the past, but I've been a bit MIA.

Who, exactly, is doing the authentication for Ebay? What are their hobby credentials?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I'm sure this has been answered in the past, but I've been a bit MIA.

Who, exactly, is doing the authentication for Ebay? What are their hobby credentials?

PSA authenticates the slabs (not the cards, but the slabs) that are already slabbed.

CSG is doing the raw card version where they actually look at the card.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by npa589

I know what the policy says, but either the TPG is entirely and consistently incompetent, or they really are only checking for authenticity. For example, undisclosed trims are getting through the authentication process with ease.

Same with all of the graders actually putting them in the slabs with number grades. Or are you new to the whole trimming scandal? PSA is still slabbing Greg Libersher trimmed cards with number grades and he's selling them from a new eBay account.
Read some threads (there are hundreds) at Blowout to find out more.