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[campyfan39]

THIS
Would love to see him on a winning team. Great pitching stats on such a poor team. Judge will win but O is the better player.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're a GM. Which of these choices do you make?

1. Replace your average RF with Judge.
2. Replace your average DH with Ohtani, AND replace one of your OK starters with Ohtani.

I could be wrong but wouldn't most choose option 2?

[bdk1976]

Judge will win. If they swapped teams with all else being equal, Ohtani would win.

Playing for the Yankees is like being in an souped-up affirmative action program for awards and recognition. I'm still waiting for any kind of remotely convincing argument as to Phil Rizzuto's HOF qualifications and have been for nearly 30 years now. It's so depressing it's not even a fun discussion to have.

Spare the 'Judge almost won the triple crown" BS. Ted Williams actually did win the triple crown - TWICE - and lost MVP to a Yankee BOTH times, and I don't recall either of those guys being a top notch starting pitcher while also delivering at the plate.

[smokinjoe]

Judge is the MVP, it should actually be his sevcond but was handed to the cheater Altuve. It is the Most VALUABLE Player award, not most talented player award. Judge has for long stretches throughout this season carried the Yankees. The Yankees would not be where they are without him. Ohtani is a great player but the Angels would not be that much of a different team with or without him, so is his presence on the team actually valuable?

WAR is not a stat but an interpretation of stats, and by all measures Judge had the better season. Ohtani had advantage of accumulating counting stats both hitting and pitching. Judge still beat him in the WAR department by quite a bit.

Personally if I were to build a team I would start with Judge before Ohtani. While being able to use one player to fill two positions and have them be above average in both would be of great benefit, it also means that with an injury you have to replace him with two players, also if slumping would double the impact to the team.

MVP = Judge
Athlete of the Year = Ohtani

[packs]

Originally Posted by bdk1976

Judge will win. If they swapped teams with all else being equal, Ohtani would win.

Playing for the Yankees is like being in an souped-up affirmative action program for awards and recognition. I'm still waiting for any kind of remotely convincing argument as to Phil Rizzuto's HOF qualifications and have been for nearly 30 years now. It's so depressing it's not even a fun discussion to have.

Spare the 'Judge almost won the triple crown" BS. Ted Williams actually did win the triple crown - TWICE - and lost MVP to a Yankee BOTH times, and I don't recall either of those guys being a top notch starting pitcher while also delivering at the plate.

The last Yankee to win the MVP was A-rod in 2007. For the last 15 years not one Yankee has won MVP. A-rod also won in 2005 but before that it was Mattingly in 1985.

In the last 36 years a Yankee has won the MVP 2 times and it was the same Yankee.

[D. Bergin]

Good article at The Ringer about the Judge vs. Ohtani debate:

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2022/1...-shohei-ohtani

[steve B]

I saw an interesting and brief article about Ohtani being the first player to have his stats qualify in both hitting and pitching. Enough plate appearances AND enough innings pitched.

That's got to count for something, but I do think Judge will win it. Hopefully the vote is at least close.