The Aaron Judge Effect

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by BobC

Also don't forget that back during Maris' time, many ballplayers were known to be taking amphetamines to improve their focus and "twitch" muscle reaction time. And I seem to also remember having heard that the Yankees were one of those teams that supposedly always had a pot or two of coffee on during games back then, oftentimes laced with amphetamines, that some players would drink during games for that additional caffeine/amphetamine rush. Is it possible Maris may have taken part in using this to his advantage as well on some occasions?

And let's not forget Ruth, you know the Babe was boozed up or recovering from a night out many an at bat. And that was during Prohibation, so you want to talk about breaking the law.

They all did what they had to do during their time period.

I thought the McGwire Sosa first season head to head was TREMENDOUS!

Who care's if they were juiced, about 3 guys on the planet hit the ball like that and 80/90% were doing it and they couldn't do what Sosa, McGwire and Bonds did.

And I'll say that one season Bonds had was the greatest by a hitter I ever saw. THAT TOO WAS TREMENDOUS!!!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And let's not forget Ruth, you know the Babe was boozed up or recovering from a night out many an at bat. And that was during Prohibation, so you want to talk about breaking the law.

They all did what they had to do during their time period.

I thought the McGwire Sosa first season head to head was TREMENDOUS!

Who care's if they were juiced, about 3 guys on the planet hit the ball like that and 80/90% were doing it and they couldn't do what Sosa, McGwire and Bonds did.

And I'll say that one season Bonds had was the greatest by a hitter I ever saw. THAT TOO WAS TREMENDOUS!!!

I also thought I had read/heard somewhere that Ruth got caught using a corked/juiced bat once as well.

The fact is that MLB didn't have specific rules in place against the use of PEDs at the time. The home run competition between those two helped boost MLB in the aftermath of the strike that had taken place earlier in the 90's. MLB was eating it up, and taking every advantage they could to make money off what the PED users were doing.

[RCMcKenzie]

Stan, I guess my concern is the Tatis Jr. story. I feel like we are still in the steroid era. Bonds is not a past tense era guy, he's in this era.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Stan, I guess my concern is the Tatis Jr. story. I feel like we are still in the steroid era. Bonds is not a past tense era guy, he's in this era.

No, compare what Tatis took to what Bonds took. And there is not the rampant usage happening today.

So we think.

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[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

No, compare what Tatis took to what Bonds took. And there is not the rampant usage happening today.

So we think.

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I honestly don't know what they do. I'm saying I take the numbers with a grain of salt. Why does Baltimore have a 20 foot wall down the left field line that is 384 feet away?

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I honestly don't know what they do. I'm saying I take the numbers with a grain of salt. Why does Baltimore have a 20 foot wall down the left field line that is 384 feet away?

That's my point. The devil is in the details...

Deflating a ball isnt the same as fixing a World Series...

I think we have to examine each case and then debate/determine where it lands on the pantheon of cheaters.

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[packs]

This article about the Maris family and their POV on the record is from 2011:

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/articl...rd-2308400.php

And again in 2022:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022...ron-judge.html

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And let's not forget Ruth, you know the Babe was boozed up or recovering from a night out many an at bat. And that was during Prohibation, so you want to talk about breaking the law.



They all did what they had to do during their time period.



I thought the McGwire Sosa first season head to head was TREMENDOUS!



Who care's if they were juiced, about 3 guys on the planet hit the ball like that and 80/90% were doing it and they couldn't do what Sosa, McGwire and Bonds did.



And I'll say that one season Bonds had was the greatest by a hitter I ever saw. THAT TOO WAS TREMENDOUS!!!

Yeah I thought it was all TREMENDOUS too until I learned it was not legit.

Seasons like Judge/Pujols are what MLB needs, not steroid cheats.

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[JimmyC]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Yeah I thought it was all TREMENDOUS too until I learned it was not legit.

Seasons like Judge/Pujols are what MLB needs, not steroid cheats.

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Amen.....

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Yeah I thought it was all TREMENDOUS too until I learned it was not legit.

Seasons like Judge/Pujols are what MLB needs, not steroid cheats.

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Any chance Judge and/or Pujols will be later discovered to have engaged in questionable performance enhancing activities?

It might be a little premature to spike the football and proclaim these two players to be cleaner than the driven snow. They might just have better chemists.

Especially in light of the fact that Pujols is almost definitely not actually 42 years old.

[Snapolit1]

Judge looks like he has the weight of WW3 on his shoulders. I suspect a better manager like Dave Roberts or Buck Showalter would be pulling this guy aside and helping him relax a bit more. One shot after another in the dugout last night and not one smile or a laugh.

Having the Maris family there for days on end. . . . .that's got to build up the pressure.

Not that he was listening to the broadcast last night, but was hard at time to remember a game was actually going on. Seemed like 1000s of shots of him sitting on the bench staring emotionless at the game. And then when the announcers started saying completely ridiculous nonsense about the game some continuing in a break in the monsoon that was hitting the area I went to bed.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by raulus

Any chance Judge and/or Pujols will be later discovered to have engaged in questionable performance enhancing activities?



It might be a little premature to spike the football and proclaim these two players to be cleaner than the driven snow. They might just have better chemists.



Especially in light of the fact that Pujols is almost definitely not actually 42 years old.

If so, they get burned at the stake.

Until then, why speculate? Why stop there?

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[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

If so, they get burned at the stake.

Until then, why speculate? Why stop there?

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Pujols for sure.......Judge probably.

[FrankWakefield]

Congratulations to Aaron Judge, and to the Yankee fans out there!

[JimmyC]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Congratulations to Aaron Judge, and to the Yankee fans out there!

Congrats Aaron! One of the finest seasons ever compiled in MLB history by one of the finest gentleman in baseball today! 62 on Friday night at home? He will blow the roof off the Stadium!