So who was better ( Kaline or Clemente) ?

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh;2264086/

How can a "great" player be
overrated? Ummm..he can't.

I would disagree here. "Great" players can certainly be overrated. Take the current trend on vintage baseball pages on Facebook, many of whom would have you believe Nolan Ryan to be the greatest pitcher of all time, or at least in the top 5, or something else equally laughable.

Yes, Nolan Ryan was great. He holds records that will not even be approached, much less equaled in terms of K's and no-hitters. But these folks overlook the individual nature of those accomplishments while throwing conventional measures of pitching greatness like ERA, WHIP, Winning %, etc. out the window. Because the sexy stats to pitching can't be denied, people want to take Ryan - who is maybe a top 25-50 pitcher overall at best, and elevate him all the way to the top. It's simply not true, and an example case of a great player being misunderstood and overrated.

[ClementeFanOh]

JHCollins- Dear God, the thread is Roberto vs Al… and if your source for definitions of “greatness” is a Facebook group, I’ve found the problem in that case at least. Trent King, still voting Roberto

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

JHCollins- Dear God, the thread is Roberto vs Al… and if your source for definitions of “greatness” is a Facebook group, I’ve found the problem in that case at least. Trent King, still voting Roberto

Dear God, someone disagreed with you.