OT: The Trevor Bauer Case

[glynparson]

Consent or not what he did was freaking disgusting and I wouldn’t want to employ or associate with an individual like him.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Consent or not what he did was freaking disgusting and I wouldn’t want to employ or associate with an individual like him.

right but than you have wife beaters that still get a job later on

issue is if cant tell one way or another which side is telling the truth than shouldnt you give the person thats accused the benefit of the doubt

someone argued here that 'guilty' people walk free all the time when the prosecution doesnt have the goods but thats how the system should work..

also realize just because you cant prove a civil slander case because you dont have the goods doesnt mean you were not slandered so you cant have it both ways when you need that person to prove a slander case to prove they are innocent...

also i do think people in their teens in early 20s make some decisions before and after events in which they dont think long term or think enough how things will play out...not sure you can always say '99% of people would do this" when you are that young you do and can say things later that are more fringe that that 99%. Especially when there are older people with various incentives pulling the strings as well.

I always say a lot of bad decisions in life come down to this analogy..

Go to a Bar and stare at some big person, when that person says 'why you looking at me' Then you say 'what you going to do about it'

After you get beat up, you can sue for injuries right? You did 'start' it but you arent at fault to getting beat up. However most people arent going to want to say 'what you going to do about it'

This kind of thing happens all the time in society when there are clear victims but there is a level of causation to making them a victim, not enough to say the victim deserved it, but enough causation that most people simply would not be that position to be a victim

[Snapolit1]

I don’t get people who say he’s a weird guy but nothing he’s done in his life would suggest he is capable of doing this. Do a Google search of him. Reports of him being stupid and aggressive with women, on the internet or in “real life” were out there for years. He’s been more than an oddball character. He’s been a real collosal douche bag for years. Does that mean he’s committed a crime. Of course not. But this is not exactly like Tim Tebow being accused of rape out of nowhere.

This is not the only woman who has made these claims. The others refused to press the issue. Happens all the time. Again, proves nothing. But like with Watson, when multiple people say the same thing that means
Something to me. No one ever accused Derek Jeter of raping them, and I’m
Sure he got more ass than a public toilet seat at OHare airport.

There are still people who adamantly insist Michael Jackson was not a child
Molester and OJ wasn’t a murderer. Neither was convinced of a crime. If convicted or a crime is your measuring stick of judging someone’s behavior, you should have no issue with either of them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I don’t get people who say he’s a weird guy but nothing he’s done in his life would suggest he is capable of doing this. Do a Google search of him. Reports of him being stupid and aggressive with women, on the internet or in “real life” were out there for years. He’s been more than an oddball character. He’s been a real collosal douche bag for years. Does that mean he’s committed a crime. Of course not. But this is not exactly like Tim Tebow being accused of rape out of nowhere.

This is not the only woman who has made these claims. The others refused to press the issue. Happens all the time. Again, proves nothing. But like with Watson, when multiple people say the same thing that means
Something to me. No one ever accused Derek Jeter of raping them, and I’m
Sure he got more ass than a public toilet seat at OHare airport.

There are still people who adamantly insist Michael Jackson was not a child
Molester and OJ wasn’t a murderer. Neither was convinced of a crime. If convicted or a crime is your measuring stick of judging someone’s behavior, you should have no issue with either of them.

right but kobe bryant accusation is pretty bad and he is beloved and he settled out of court and 'apologized' to the victim while also denying.....

people hate a guy who settles a case always go 'well he must be guilty so he paid' people that love a guy say 'well he paid but no charges filed and not worth to defend a case in public' or whatever.....people have their own narrative

at least with bauer, easy to see he has some tendencies, i worry more about the the straight arrows that do things...as the narrative on these guys lets them get away with more......

[rjackson44]

Him and watson are low lifes

[Snapolit1]

For the life of me I just don’t get why supporting this guy is a hill anyone would want to die on.

And the fact that he has become a folk hero of sorts to a certain type of young men who feel aggrieved by women generally is disgusting. Sure he has never had more Twitter followers. Many of which I suspect aren’t
Even baseball fans

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...tection-order/

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/01/09/in...nge-harassment

[BobC]

Times and thinking change guys. I've never said I defend or condone what Bauer does, so if anyone is insinuating that I'm sticking up and dying on some hill for him, I am not. But I'm also not going to be intimidated or influenced by anyone's myopic thinking and comments either. Last I looked, this is still a free country and he has a right to say and do want he wants, within the law, and whether anyone else likes and/or agrees with it or not. All I'm pointing out is how some people come on here and immediately say he's horrible and disgusting, without possibly knowing the entire story or situation, and convicting him in their minds because he is odd and different, based on all the stories and such that have come out about him over the years.

Do those being so critical of Bauer know if he has any mental or other issues? Is he possibly a bit autistic, or maybe he's just a lot like the Sheldon Cooper character from The Big Bang Theory TV series. A sizable portion of our population have and deal with any number and variety of mental, sociological, and physical defects and issues, and many so-called "normal" people look down on and show bias, discrimination, and outright hate for such people, without ever knowing or understanding where those people have come from and what they've had to deal with in their lives.

There is another extremely huge thing that those condemning Bauer have completely failed to mention or discuss......what about the alleged victim? Not one of the naysayers has mentioned anything about the alleged victim's background, demeanor, or situation in the least. They just say they hate Bauer and/or what he allegedly did. Remember, Bauer didn't go out and kidnap some women to take back to his apartment to abuse and rape them. These women met him somehow and apparently shared some thoughts and beliefs with him as far as sexual preferences, and clearly liked him enough to voluntarily want to be with him and engage in what some of you look upon as deviant sexual activity and behavior. Now, were these women actually into the "rough sex" scene that Bauer apparently is into, or were they into being with a star athlete who makes lots of money and maybe decided to put up with Bauer's sexual preferences to have a chance to score the rich athlete of their dreams, or maybe they were just crazy or with low esteem and confidence and grabbing at anything they can and Bauer just happened to be the low hanging fruit they hooked up with? We'll most likely never really know, but whatever the reason, it seems the Bauer naysayers have no comments in regard to the possibility that these women may be as much, or even more, to blame than Bauer. Yet not a one of the naysayers has mentioned that aspect at all of potential shared blame. They sound like they condemn Bauer simply because he's the man, so the women are automatically the victim and he's totally guilty?

Some naysayers call Bauer misogynistic as supposed proof of their point of view, but offer no background or explanation as to how or why he may have a dislike for women. And even if he does have an overall dislike or distrust of women, why does that automatically mean to some that he is guilty in this situation? For all we know, he may have been abused by his own Mother, or some other female(s) in his early years, and those issues possibly have carried over to his adult life. The fact is, none of us know the entire and complete backgrounds and situations of BOTH parties to this case, and all the circumstances surrounding it. Yet, it seems some of the people out there are quick to condemn Bauer as disgusting and horrible, lay all the fault at his feet, and apparently condone what MLB has done to possibly punish Bauer prematurely for what may ultimately turn out to be nothing more than he's the man in the situation, which given the current thinking of society about women's rights and the influence of the #MeToo and like movements, makes him automatically guilty.

Geez, talk about how misinformation, lack of information, biases, and discrimination can play into what happens in our world!

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by BobC

Times and thinking change guys. I've never said I defend or condone what Bauer does, so if anyone is insinuating that I'm sticking up and dying on some hill for him, I am not. But I'm also not going to be intimidated or influenced by anyone's myopic thinking and comments either. Last I looked, this is still a free country and he has a right to say and do want he wants, within the law, and whether anyone else likes and/or agrees with it or not. All I'm pointing out is how some people come on here and immediately say he's horrible and disgusting, without possibly knowing the entire story or situation, and convicting him in their minds because he is odd and different, based on all the stories and such that have come out about him over the years.

Do those being so critical of Bauer know if he has any mental or other issues? Is he possibly a bit autistic, or maybe he's just a lot like the Sheldon Cooper character from The Big Bang Theory TV series. A sizable portion of our population have and deal with any number and variety of mental, sociological, and physical defects and issues, and many so-called "normal" people look down on and show bias, discrimination, and outright hate for such people, without ever knowing or understanding where those people have come from and what they've had to deal with in their lives.

There is another extremely huge thing that those condemning Bauer have completely failed to mention or discuss......what about the alleged victim? Not one of the naysayers has mentioned anything about the alleged victim's background, demeanor, or situation in the least. They just say they hate Bauer and/or what he allegedly did. Remember, Bauer didn't go out and kidnap some women to take back to his apartment to abuse and rape them. These women met him somehow and apparently shared some thoughts and beliefs with him as far as sexual preferences, and clearly liked him enough to voluntarily want to be with him and engage in what some of you look upon as deviant sexual activity and behavior. Now, were these women actually into the "rough sex" scene that Bauer apparently is into, or were they into being with a star athlete who makes lots of money and maybe decided to put up with Bauer's sexual preferences to have a chance to score the rich athlete of their dreams, or maybe they were just crazy or with low esteem and confidence and grabbing at anything they can and Bauer just happened to be the low hanging fruit they hooked up with? We'll most likely never really know, but whatever the reason, it seems the Bauer naysayers have no comments in regard to the possibility that these women may be as much, or even more, to blame than Bauer. Yet not a one of the naysayers has mentioned that aspect at all of potential shared blame. They sound like they condemn Bauer simply because he's the man, so the women are automatically the victim and he's totally guilty?

Some naysayers call Bauer misogynistic as supposed proof of their point of view, but offer no background or explanation as to how or why he may have a dislike for women. And even if he does have an overall dislike or distrust of women, why does that automatically mean to some that he is guilty in this situation? For all we know, he may have been abused by his own Mother, or some other female(s) in his early years, and those issues possibly have carried over to his adult life. The fact is, none of us know the entire and complete backgrounds and situations of BOTH parties to this case, and all the circumstances surrounding it. Yet, it seems some of the people out there are quick to condemn Bauer as disgusting and horrible, lay all the fault at his feet, and apparently condone what MLB has done to possibly punish Bauer prematurely for what may ultimately turn out to be nothing more than he's the man in the situation, which given the current thinking of society about women's rights and the influence of the #MeToo and like movements, makes him automatically guilty.

Geez, talk about how misinformation, lack of information, biases, and discrimination can play into what happens in our world!

Look at the pictures of her and that may help realize why it’s an uphill battle for me to take his side on this. You beat the crap out of someone and I’m not giving you the benefit of the doubt.