Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Congrats on the trade Rob. What's the pennant?

My latest pickup arrived in the mail this week

You’ll see it when it arrives . I never like to part with a pennant, but the one I sent Marc is pretty much a duplicate for me. Not quite, but close enough.

You find some great stuff, Gary! Phil Rizzuto had his own pennant? Who knew?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Phil Rizzuto had his own pennant? Who knew?

Are there other Yankees with this pennant? If not, why in the world Rizzuto? As good as he was, he was never more than the fourth or fifth best player on his teams. What's the year on this, do you think?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Are there other Yankees with this pennant? If not, why in the world Rizzuto? As good as he was, he was never more than the fourth or fifth best player on his teams. What's the year on this, do you think?

Early 1950s. Perhaps they were honoring Rizzuto for something at Yankee Stadium on that particular day. It is legit, and I have seen a few over the years. That one looks like it came from Hunt Auctions' recent I/P event.

Granted, Rizzuto was never their biggest star, and no other specific Yankee players have surfaced. It's just one of those one-offs that seem to remain a mystery. The Tigers had a similar pennant that commemorates Johnny Groth, of all people... who is way more obscure than Rizzuto!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Early 1950s. Perhaps they were honoring Rizzuto for something at Yankee Stadium on that particular day. It is legit, and I have seen a few over the years. That one looks like it came from Hunt Auctions' recent I/P event.

Granted, Rizzuto was never their biggest star, and no other specific Yankee players have surfaced. It's just one of those one-offs that seem to remain a mystery. The Tigers had a similar pennant that commemorates Johnny Groth, of all people.... who is way more obscure than Rizzuto!

Speaking of Groth … that weird 1960 WGN Pirates pennant with the misspellings and “Groth” instead of “Groat” just sold on eBay. The pennant you refer to is also WGN and Groat is from Chicago and his father was an electrotype salesman. May have done business with the company!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Are there other Yankees with this pennant? If not, why in the world Rizzuto? As good as he was, he was never more than the fourth or fifth best player on his teams. What's the year on this, do you think?

There are not. At least that I’ve seen in almost 40 years. My guess would be 1950 or 51 following his MVP season. I’m glad to see there is another one out there. I thought it might have been a one off or few but fed as discussed. It appears to match the Harry Stevens style of many Yankees pennants from that era so maybe a few were made for a banquet or something. Either way, great pick up.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

There are not. At least that I’ve seen in almost 40 years. My guess would be 1950 or 51 following his MVP season. I’m glad to see there is another one out there. I thought it might have been a one off or few but fed as discussed. It appears to match the Harry Stevens style of many Yankees pennants from that era so maybe a few were made for a banquet or something. Either way, great pick up.

That was my thinking as well. I wondered if it was from an event like a banquet. I'd not seen another and when it came up for auction I remembered American Pickers...."the time to buy it is when you see it." :-)

Any ideas about which company produced it?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

That was my thinking as well. I wondered if it was from an event like a banquet. I'd not seen another and when it came up for auction I remembered American Pickers...."the time to buy it is when you see it." :-)

Any ideas about which company produced it?

Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

No doubt the Rizzuto is the same maker as the '55 World Series Pennant. I have seen the more common "Yankees" (not Rizzuto) version sporting the same exact fringe instead of tassels. I used to have one but stupidly let it go.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Personally I think it’s NY area mystery company. Here are two that I believe are from the same company, note the same gold streamer-like design on the ‘55 pennant. One theory is Trench - I think Domer might lean that way? - but the construction seems very different to me than known Trenches of the period. The graphics and artwork is also a vastly different style.

Yup, my opinion: the Rizzuto and the '55 WS pennant are by the same maker; and, I'm confident that maker is Trench

Mystery maker wasn't known for using tassels. Nor were they known for multi-colored graphics ... or team-specific artwork.