So who was better ( Kaline or Clemente) ?

[ClementeFanOh]

Isiahfan- you are clearly entitled to an opinion on Robert vs Al. You chose
the wrong player, but that's not the point

If you are suggesting that Roberto Clemente and Thurman Munson basically
draw some sort of "collective sympathy" due to untimely deaths, you'd do
well to look at the numbers. Munson was on the path of a HOF career, while
Roberto had clearly completed one. Roberto was likely 1st ballot HOF material
absent the circumstances of his death, Munson was not. It's apples and
oranges. Trent King

[ClementeFanOh]

Whoops, typo above due to early morning- "Roberto" not "Robert".
I am clearly an "overrated" typist, I made a mistake. Trent King

[ClementeFanOh]

G1911- ah, grammatical comments. If ever there was a sign that some
desperate asshat was losing an argument, that's it. Keep winning the internet,
1911, one keystroke at a time. Trent King

By the way, it didn't take long for you to lose that veneer of civility, did it?

[ClementeFanOh]

PeterSpaeth- you don't "need the aggravation"? Really? Looks like you
thrive on it. (Now THERE is an observation that isn't overrated). Trent King

PS- the notion of meaningful debate suggest I believe there is a topic worth
debating with you. I'm quite secure in my reasoning, thank you for the offer
though.

Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

G1911- ah, grammatical comments. If ever there was a sign that some
desperate asshat was losing an argument, that's it. Keep winning the internet,
1911, one keystroke at a time. Trent King

By the way, it didn't take long for you to lose that veneer of civility, did it?

It’s not grammatical. I ignored the poor grammar. You don’t know what key words you were trying to spin into an attack even mean, or the barest bones of basic logic. That’s not grammar.

You did not even start out civil, I hardly see how I owe that to every moron making absurd claims and getting outraged if their guy isn’t out on top. If you want civility, don’t make nutball replies. There is a full transcript in order. Go figure out how to click the “quote” button, it isn’t hard.

[packs]

How about an auto to go with the thread:

[frankbmd]

Duende is an interesting word whether one considers the Iberian or Philippine origin and meaning. My research (Google plus a finger) has disclosed the images of two duendes:

duende.jpg duende 2.jpg

Obviously Kaline and Clemente, but which is whom?

[ClementeFanOh]

Okay genius, here we go. I’m typing from my phone and have limited time, so factor that into your red pen on the homework tendencies: 1) you are ignoring the glaring reality that you couldn’t keep your butt cheeks together (and big mouth shut), and stay on the actual topic of the thread. You thought readers would benefit from your searing intellect and you whiffed. 2) my “guy” doesn’t always have to come out on top. I was utterly deferential to Kaline in the thread. It would not even cross my mind to demean his career. 3) you missed on the circular argument thing, partner. When your claim is “RC is overrated because I declare it”- while refusing to acknowledge any data or evaluations which call your conclusion into question!- you have drawn yourself a nice little circle and put yourself in it. It’s an extremely primitive and misguided one, but you did it-while unprovoked, actually. “My comment is correct because I am always correct” is a non starter. We don’t get to declare ourselves the all time winner, then tell others “I said it so it must be correct”. 4) I hope you retain a full time psychiatrist, you are a sad mix of bizarre and twisted behavior. In the event you don’t, I’ll recommend coming out of the basement at least once a day. It wouldn’t hurt to at least ponder the possibility that you’re not an omniscient final authority, as well. Small steps, 1911, small steps…. Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Okay genius, here we go. I’m typing from my phone and have limited time, so factor that into your red pen on the homework tendencies: 1) you are ignoring the glaring reality that you couldn’t keep your butt cheeks together (and big mouth shut), and stay on the actual topic of the thread. You thought readers would benefit from your searing intellect and you whiffed. 2) my “guy” doesn’t always have to come out on top. I was utterly deferential to Kaline in the thread. It would not even cross my mind to demean his career. 3) you missed on the circular argument thing, partner. When your claim is “RC is overrated because I declare it”- while refusing to acknowledge any data or evaluations which call your conclusion into question!- you have drawn yourself a nice little circle and put yourself in it. It’s an extremely primitive and misguided one, but you did it-while unprovoked, actually. “My comment is correct because I am always correct” is a non starter. We don’t get to declare ourselves the all time winner, then tell others “I said it so it must be correct”. 4) I hope you retain a full time psychiatrist, you are a sad mix of bizarre and twisted behavior. In the event you don’t, I’ll recommend coming out of the basement at least once a day. It wouldn’t hurt to at least ponder the possibility that you’re not an omniscient final authority, as well. Small steps, 1911, small steps…. Trent King

It is the topic, Kaline vs. Clemente and their performance and ranking. You still don't even understand what was written or key terms (you chose to try to make it a logic debate) even mean. I have not made any appeal to authority, though you explicitly did. Can you even read the transcript, or is that as difficult as the Quote button? You can do nothing but screech complete falsehoods. Save yourself some dignity.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by packs

How about an auto to go with the thread:

Here's another:

RC Auto 2846.97 Aug-28.jpg

[isiahfan]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Isiahfan- you are clearly entitled to an opinion on Robert vs Al. You chose
the wrong player, but that's not the point

If you are suggesting that Roberto Clemente and Thurman Munson basically
draw some sort of "collective sympathy" due to untimely deaths, you'd do
well to look at the numbers. Munson was on the path of a HOF career, while
Roberto had clearly completed one. Roberto was likely 1st ballot HOF material
absent the circumstances of his death, Munson was not. It's apples and
oranges. Trent King

I am not stating that their unfortunate deaths increased their abilities....but it 100% added to their collectability...if you disagree with that not sure what else to say. If they had both been injured or retired instead of dying...on the same days....the interest/intrigue/collectability would maybe be high...not as high thouhg.

[ClementeFanOh]

Isiahfan- well, my remark about you siding with Kaline was just a joke, a friendly jab. Regarding your comment about the collectibility of their cards/etc, that’s from left field as none of the comments mentioned it. Roberto is clearly a high priority get for many vintage collectors, no doubt. I thought you meant that both Munson and Roberto’s manners of death were somehow related to their on field results, which I found strange. Debate doesn’t have to be contentious, right? Trent King

[isiahfan]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Isiahfan- well, my remark about you siding with Kaline was just a joke, a friendly jab. Regarding your comment about the collectibility of their cards/etc, that’s from left field as none of the comments mentioned it. Roberto is clearly a high priority get for many vintage collectors, no doubt. I thought you meant that both Munson and Roberto’s manners of death were somehow related to their on field results, which I found strange. Debate doesn’t have to be contentious, right? Trent King

Agreed...both great players...I thought you meant their deaths didn't play a part in their value or attention...