Odd Rhoades T206

[atx840]

Pat I have a non-sport Pirate back where someone traced the figure on the front and it either bled through the back or the indentation created a ghost like outline on the reverse and then they coloured it in. Not really sure what was going on, like your T206 very odd.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by swarmee

The black lines may be a really bad bleed from a card left in the rain soon after being collected, before the ink was mostly dry?

I don't think it was anything like that but it could have been something to do with some kind of moisture at the factory maybe Steve B has an idea.

Originally Posted by atx840

Pat I have a non-sport Pirate back where someone traced the figure on the front and it either bled through the back or the indentation created a ghost like outline on the reverse and then they coloured it in. Not really sure what was going on, like your T206 very odd.

Hey Chris, yeah I'm not sure what caused it but you can see in the large scan that it definitely wasn't traced and both the front and back are smooth.. Do you have a scan of your non-sport Pirate card?

[RCFire82]

I was bidding w you on this one Pat. I decided to bow out thinking it was pencil tracing rather than a transfer... nonetheless a need addition to the card 👍

[atx840]

Dug it out and scanned it, def different than what your Rhoades has going on. Maybe someone traced Rhoades with ink that bled through but it didnt indent?

Not sure what is going on with this one, just found it odd.

[steve B]

So much wtf going on with both of those.

I had a couple probable explanations for the Rhodes, but also found reasons to reject those ideas.

I'm uncertain about there being a gloss layer, but Pat knows his stuff so I'll just go with that. Sort of.

Assuming it's a "normal" T206, its on coated stock which will absorb inks over time and still be glossy. Inks, especially more fluid ones tend to puddle on those and say wet longer than usual.
My first instinct is that someone outlined it with a felt pen.
BUT....
The ink in certain spots doesn't look like felt pen or faded old felt pen. There should be uneven puddling on coated stock, and it's not there.
AND
The card obviously can't transfer to itself. And the chances of someone being able to exactly duplicate what they did on one card on another is small, especilally given how sloppy it is.

Water shouldn't cause a transfer.
Other chemicals should affect more than just one color, and even if it did a transfer should be much neater than what's there.

Inks generally don't bleed through coated stock. If it's not coated, maybe? But that's some pretty thick stuff to bleed through and what can get through that much is usually too thin to do it cleanly.

If there is a gloss layer and it's under it, that pretty much precludes anything post-factory.


It looks gray? Maybe a bit reddish along with it?

If it's multiple colors that also goes against it being post factory unless it's an ink that had both black and a bit of red to make a particular shade of gray. Which would be strange. It could also just be the way my monitor shows the color.

I'm also hard pressed to think of it as factory. The printing was imperfect, but the sloppiness of the border seems just too far different from what ALC did.

The only thing I can think of would be a real long shot.
If the gray plate was worn, and just had to be "fixed" immediately for some reason it is possible to draw in something you want printed with what's essentially a crayon. But it won't last long. But I'm not seeing a reason for them to draw in a detail that wasn't there before, like a band of gray around the border. And do that sloppily, when they got other details like the C on the hat done very well.


None of it makes any sense.

[Pat R]

Thanks for the reply Steve. I have a magnifying glass that has what I believe is a 40x smaller lighted section that I use on every T206 when I get them.
Under the light most T206's show different degrees and areas of a glossy layer and I could be wrong about this but I believe it's some kind of "clear coat" that was applied after printing and not a coated paper stock that was used prior to the printing.

One of the reasons I think it is on the top layer and not "glossy" paper stock is the way it seems to wear off.

Here are three T206's I just purchased the Leifield has the heaviest gloss on upper right edge, the Huggins in the middle right edge and the Raymond doesn't really show any gloss anywhere.

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This Beckley I have has a lot of gloss on it.

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[chriskim]

I think it was caused by someone used a pencil or crayon tracing the image while the card was under a black sheet of paper or cardboard.... it is more like a carbon paper effect. Nothing special IMO.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Thanks for the reply Steve. I have a magnifying glass that has what I believe is a 40x smaller lighted section that I use on every T206 when I get them.
Under the light most T206's show different degrees and areas of a glossy layer and I could be wrong about this but I believe it's some kind of "clear coat" that was applied after printing and not a coated paper stock that was used prior to the printing.

One of the reasons I think it is on the top layer and not "glossy" paper stock is the way it seems to wear off.

Here are three T206's I just purchased the Leifield has the heaviest gloss on upper right edge, the Huggins in the middle right edge and the Raymond doesn't really show any gloss anywhere.

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This Beckley I have has a lot of gloss on it.

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Now that's interesting.
I haven't looked at all of mine, but have noticed differing glossiness between some of them. Maybe it's time to have a closer look. I know some that I have looked at are on coated stock, not so much to make it glossy, but I think more to make the colors stand out. On those, the fronts uner the magnifier don't really show any fibers, but the backs show them just like all the others.

Sounds like a task for next week, I'm getting stuff ready for my stamp clubs show on Saturday. Filling prize draw envelopes with stamps (20 for 25 cents, makes it not a lottery or raffle.) doing 400 plus getting 40 prizes ready and numbered takes a while.

On the plus side, giving the bunch of T206s a much closer look is long overdue.