The Shift being stopped new rule

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

will be more pitch outs..

You won't catch a guy stealing during your pitch selection with a pitch out. The only way a pitch out works is if a runner has to wait for a pitch to be thrown before they take off. If you can't hold a guy on with a throw over, he risks nothing taking off as soon as the catcher throws the ball back to you.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You won't catch a guy stealing during your pitch selection with a pitch out. The only way a pitch out works is if a runner has to wait for a pitch to be thrown before they take off. If you can't hold a guy on with a throw over, he risks nothing taking off as soon as the catcher throws the ball back to you.

Jon Lester like never throws to first and people werent stealing every time..not saying base stealing wont go up.

i do think they can throw to second base though as thats not a pickoff but trying to stop an attempted steal

[D. Bergin]

Weren't people just complaining not too long ago, there's not enough base stealing and small ball going on anymore.

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Jon Lester like never throws to first and people werent stealing every time..not saying base stealing wont go up.

i do think they can throw to second base though as thats not a pickoff but trying to stop an attempted steal

Again, you had the threat of a throw over at the very least with Lester. This rule eliminates the possibility of a throw over in game situations. It is not the same thing and it does give you an advantage if you're able to draw two throws. You can run at will after that.

[D. Bergin]

Lester was a Lefty, which by itself keeps most base runners somewhat honest.

Also, at the height of his yips in 2015 he DID allow 44 stolen bases at an 80% success rate...which is pretty atrocious for a lefty in a mostly non-running era of baseball.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Lester was a Lefty, which by itself keeps most base runners somewhat honest.

Also, at the height of his yips in 2015 he DID allow 44 stolen bases at an 80% success rate...which is pretty atrocious for a lefty in a mostly non-running era of baseball.

still how many bases is that a start and he was zero threat to throw to first

and after 2 throws to first you can do a pitchout and i believe you can also throw to 2nd if no runner is there, again stolen bases will of course go up but wont be much crazier that runners did against Lester..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Again, you had the threat of a throw over at the very least with Lester. This rule eliminates the possibility of a throw over in game situations. It is not the same thing and it does give you an advantage if you're able to draw two throws. You can run at will after that.

Lester was not a threat to throw over, when its 99% no chance to throw over thats not a real threat.

[packs]

You don't seem to be differentiating between something you choose not to do and a rule against doing it.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

You don't seem to be differentiating between something you choose not to do and a rule against doing it.

its the same thing or at least is something you can point too to show there is some type of a limit as being able to steal a base when a pitcher doesnt throw to first..which happened..

[packs]

It's definitively not the same thing. This is a rule whereas before you mentioned a pitcher who chose not to do something. Rule and option are not the same things.