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Old 09-14-2022, 09:11 PM
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Ed, I just looked at the lot. Yeah, their description is false, unless someone else collected them in silence, which seems absurd. They should describe the lot as it is.
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Old 09-15-2022, 12:36 AM
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What a great collection...it is a shame that this is being auctioned off as a group lot. Ideally at least the better condition/ bigger stars should be listed individually, and then the lesser condition in a bulk lot. I also have a feeling that the biggest HOF cards with the McCormick stamp will be seen at a later date, graded. Perhaps one of us with sacks full of money could attempt to corral these and distribute some to their rightful new collector owner.

And it is a completely inaccurate lot listing...someone should start a Go fund me for Goldin so that they can establish an accuracy in lot listing seminar for their employees.

Wirt Gammon was a sports writer from Chattanooga and a huge hobby pioneer who I believe specialized in vintage baseball issues. Searching his name on the web and here and he was writing articles about the hobby back in the 1940's through work in the 1970's with Sports Collectors Digest, and it has been documented that at one point he worked a deal for 3 Wagner and 3 Plank T206. I imagine a good chunk of us collectors today have cards that passed through his hands.

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Old 09-15-2022, 01:12 AM
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“ In a heartwarming twist of fate, though, many of McCormick's holdings experienced a reunion, the results of which are seen here. A modern-day T206 enthusiast noticed the McCormick brand surfacing repeatedly as he shopped for new cards, and the distinctive marking fueled a secondary quest. This collector researched McCormick's past, and then reached out through the mail, by phone, and on social media. His persistence and focus (with much helpful assistance from his contacts) eventually brought about the construction of the ex-McCormick group seen here, a revived collection of considerable importance. As impressive as these rows of T206 items are, in their own right, they're also a demonstration of the community and camaraderie that can still be observed in the modern, sophisticated, and flourishing card-collecting industry.”

Reading this as loosely and generously as I possibly can, I can see no possible reading of these words that isn’t heavily implying this is your collection for sale. The part at the end about how this collection of McCormick stamps demonstrates the “community and camaderie” in the “modern, sophisticated” hobby cannot possibly apply to this batch of McCormick cards; only your very public quest. Certainly some of us would be aware of this “community” aiding a second hoarder of this random backstamp if it was real. That more than half the description is about the McCormick stamp, a stamp that is only noteworthy because of your aforementioned public quest and that has no additional value to anyone else, only furthers it. This cannot be true, is not an honest mistake, and is clearly directed at you.

I expect Goldin to be sleazy, lie, and cheat for any dollar he/they can; there’s a long history of it. But this is just so unnecessary of a lie, to little or no financial benefit (what bidder will care really care which batch of McCormicks this is?) that it strikes me as even worse than the normal bullshit and shenanigans from this corrupt ‘industry’. If I was you, I’d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.
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Old 09-15-2022, 02:44 AM
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If I was you, I’d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.
I think that's kind of the purpose of this thread...
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Old 09-15-2022, 09:02 AM
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“ In a heartwarming twist of fate, though, many of McCormick's holdings experienced a reunion, the results of which are seen here. A modern-day T206 enthusiast noticed the McCormick brand surfacing repeatedly as he shopped for new cards, and the distinctive marking fueled a secondary quest. This collector researched McCormick's past, and then reached out through the mail, by phone, and on social media. His persistence and focus (with much helpful assistance from his contacts) eventually brought about the construction of the ex-McCormick group seen here, a revived collection of considerable importance. As impressive as these rows of T206 items are, in their own right, they're also a demonstration of the community and camaraderie that can still be observed in the modern, sophisticated, and flourishing card-collecting industry.”

Reading this as loosely and generously as I possibly can, I can see no possible reading of these words that isn’t heavily implying this is your collection for sale. The part at the end about how this collection of McCormick stamps demonstrates the “community and camaderie” in the “modern, sophisticated” hobby cannot possibly apply to this batch of McCormick cards; only your very public quest. Certainly some of us would be aware of this “community” aiding a second hoarder of this random backstamp if it was real. That more than half the description is about the McCormick stamp, a stamp that is only noteworthy because of your aforementioned public quest and that has no additional value to anyone else, only furthers it. This cannot be true, is not an honest mistake, and is clearly directed at you.

I expect Goldin to be sleazy, lie, and cheat for any dollar he/they can; there’s a long history of it. But this is just so unnecessary of a lie, to little or no financial benefit (what bidder will care really care which batch of McCormicks this is?) that it strikes me as even worse than the normal bullshit and shenanigans from this corrupt ‘industry’. If I was you, I’d be raising one hell of a public fight over this blatant lie.


It would, at the least, seem to be a case of false advertising.

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Old 09-15-2022, 11:02 AM
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After reading the listing, I asked Steve to see what cards had the Sweet Caporal back, as after collecting nothing but Howe’s cards since ‘93 or ‘94 I only knew of Piedmont, Old Mill and Hindu backs. He responded this morning that there are none with a Sweet Cap back (coulda’ told them that).

But they did double check and there are 12 cards with Howe’s green Agent-Saturday Evening Post stamp. So I had found five in almost 20 years, and now more than twice as many show up at once.

My hope now is that whoever ends up with the lot will either send scans or images of them all. I find it interesting that about 20% of my cards have a Hindu back and almost that many with an Old Mill back but mention of only the one Hindu made in the listing.
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Old 09-15-2022, 11:10 AM
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that's disheartening ed.
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Someone send the link to the gofundme.
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