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Old 09-09-2022, 12:03 PM
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The vault thing combined with this loan scheme amounts to basically an online casino, no? I don't see the appeal of card collecting if you never even get to possess the items...

Much like the hyped-up NFT craze, I think we'll see this vault fad fade away with time.
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The vault thing combined with this loan scheme amounts to basically an online casino, no? I don't see the appeal of card collecting if you never even get to possess the items...

Much like the hyped-up NFT craze, I think we'll see this vault fad fade away with time.
investing not collecting, son
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Does PWCC still use the term Assets instead of cards ?
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Old 09-09-2022, 12:43 PM
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Does PWCC still use the term Assets instead of cards ?
It appears so:

"PWCC Capital provides loans and cash advances to clients against Vault assets and offers notes at various interest rates for clients seeking alternative investments."

"PWCC offers clients an exciting opportunity to build their personal collections and invest in a rapidly growing asset class."

Source: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/about-the-marketplace
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Old 09-09-2022, 12:52 PM
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It appears so:

"PWCC Capital provides loans and cash advances to clients against Vault assets and offers notes at various interest rates for clients seeking alternative investments."

"PWCC offers clients an exciting opportunity to build their personal collections and invest in a rapidly growing asset class."

Source: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/about-the-marketplace
PWCC= The E TRADE OF SPORTS CARDS
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Really wonder if this money rush to establish businesses to grade "assets" and stick them in vaults isn't a day late and a couple of million dollars short.

Very little of this mania is about Mickey Mantle cards and Babe Ruth. It's about Luka Doncic gold refractors and Trevor Lawrence and Jasson Dominquez and Zion and other modern players. In my limited time watching breaks and reading about the modern card realm, it's clear so many potential big guys have already blown up and burned a lot of people. A few years ago people were killing themselves to get Tua and Spencer Torkelson rookies. Not so much all of a sudden. And as PSA clears out their backlog the supply of graded Luka cards, for example, is going to depress prices further. And we've already had new grading card companies appear in the scene and fail to make much of a ripple.

I think some of these people are throwing away money. I think the mania in new cards is peaked. Time will tell.
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Really wonder if this money rush to establish businesses to grade "assets" and stick them in vaults isn't a day late and a couple of million dollars short.

Very little of this mania is about Mickey Mantle cards and Babe Ruth. It's about Luka Doncic gold refractors and Trevor Lawrence and Jasson Dominquez and Zion and other modern players. In my limited time watching breaks and reading about the modern card realm, it's clear so many potential big guys have already blown up and burned a lot of people. A few years ago people were killing themselves to get Tua and Spencer Torkelson rookies. Not so much all of a sudden. And as PSA clears out their backlog the supply of graded Luka cards, for example, is going to depress prices further. And we've already had new grading card companies appear in the scene and fail to make much of a ripple.

I think some of these people are throwing away money. I think the mania in new cards is peaked. Time will tell.
There's a day trading element though, I think a lot of guys are buying players like these hoping they get hot, not hoping they become the next Mantle or Kobe over the long haul.
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Really wonder if this money rush to establish businesses to grade "assets" and stick them in vaults isn't a day late and a couple of million dollars short.

Very little of this mania is about Mickey Mantle cards and Babe Ruth. It's about Luka Doncic gold refractors and Trevor Lawrence and Jasson Dominquez and Zion and other modern players. In my limited time watching breaks and reading about the modern card realm, it's clear so many potential big guys have already blown up and burned a lot of people. A few years ago people were killing themselves to get Tua and Spencer Torkelson rookies. Not so much all of a sudden. And as PSA clears out their backlog the supply of graded Luka cards, for example, is going to depress prices further. And we've already had new grading card companies appear in the scene and fail to make much of a ripple.

I think some of these people are throwing away money. I think the mania in new cards is peaked. Time will tell.
What's a Tua Torkelinni? I was just starting to hear about this Looka guy and that fat china doll, one flapjack away from 4 bills, Zeon. I have 1 of 1 PSA 10's of Jayllon Domingos and Luis Roobert already. They both have 16 names so I'm insulated and covered if they suck donkey balls, which they do.
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The vault thing combined with this loan scheme amounts to basically an online casino, no? I don't see the appeal of card collecting if you never even get to possess the items...
It is similar to owning stocks and bonds these days. You buy what you want and look at it online in your Vault account. I personally have not held a stock certificate in over 20 years and have not held a bond in over 5 years. But I still have ownership of the stocks and bonds. Baseball cards are viewed as assets/investments now whether the "traditional" collector realizes or not. More and more "new" collectors view collecting this way. Whether they get burned or not in the long run well only time will tell...
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Also same with stocks you can buy other stocks on margin. Collectors are hoping and banking on their cards going higher in price/value just like stock investors hope the stock prices go up (unless they are short sellers) so they can sell for a profit and never worry about coming out of pocket for the difference they borrowed.

At some point yes the SEC may get involved but as long as WhiteHawk has its filings in order then they should be fine. PWCC has 175 million reasons to be smiling today.
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When the PWCC ETF COMING OUT?
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They should use the term Ass-hats
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