Let's see some counterfeits, reprints, fakes, fugazies, Broders, etc.

[gonefishin]

I purchased these from an auction house along with some W516's of Collins and Mathewson. I sent them to SGC. All the W516s came back graded, all the W551s came back as counterfeit - yes that's what they stated - counterfeit. I eventually got a partial refund for the W551s but have always been curious how there were authentic 516s mixed in with counterfeit 551s.

I've also included a pic of Mathewson that came back authentic.

By the way, I magnified the print on all the cards and the printing method appeared to be the real deal on all cards. I was pretty surprised.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

I purchased these from an auction house along with some W516's of Collins and Mathewson. I sent them to SGC. All the W516s came back graded, all the W551s came back as counterfeit - yes that's what they stated - counterfeit. I eventually got a partial refund for the W551s but have always been curious how there were authentic 516s mixed in with counterfeit 551s.

I've also included a pic of Mathewson that came back authentic.

By the way, I magnified the print on all the cards and the printing method appeared to be the real deal on all cards. I was pretty surprised.

The W551s were reprinted by Fritsch with blue letters

[nebboy]

My bad buy - I keep it just to remind myself to do your research no matter what.

[jingram058]

I am not as good at fake detection with the naked eye as I thought I was. However, I do have a loupe and a hand-held blacklight. Hard to get around modern printing, modern cardboard density, and fluorescence. In my last big trade, these tools were utilized by me and my trade partner. We did it at a fast food burrito restaurant, going back and forth to the men's bathroom checking cards. Everyone thought it was curious and interesting what we were doing. Both he and I walked away satisfied that what we traded for was very real.

[Huck]

What is your guess on the percentage of cards in PSA, SGC and BGS holders that are fake? The fake Young would sell because of the holder. I applaud the raw only collectors, but I can't see anyone dropping major iron on a card that is not graded.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Huck

What is your guess on the percentage of cards in PSA, SGC and BGS holders that are fake? The fake Young would sell because of the holder. I applaud the raw only collectors, but I can't see anyone dropping major iron on a card that is not graded.

I think the percentage of fake cards in one of their holders would be tiny. They make mistakes but I think it's pretty rare for them to grade a fake one. And yes, I have seen a handful or so, and think I have a few, but I have looked at thousands and thousands of slabbed cards.
That said, a few of those graded fakes are freaking atrocious.
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[CobbSpikedMe]

A little OT as these aren't prewar, but three of these cards are counterfeit. I bought them knowing they were fake so I could get an idea of what a fake one could look like in person. They are fairly easy to spot in hand, but mixed with other low grade authentic cards, they kind of blend well.

I also have a fake T206 Cobb green portrait and a W514 Jennings that was reprinted. Again, easy to tell in hand, but looks ok in a scan. The Cobb is an obvious fake though, even in a scan. I don't have images of these two handy or I would post them.




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[ValKehl]

Similar to the card Joe Jones shows in post #20 of this thread, I got stuck with this group of Old Judge reprints about 25 years ago. I'm pretty sure none of these are legit.