National location in 2024 and future

[Sportsnutcards]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Richmond is 2 hours from Virginia Beach, 2 hours from DC and 2 hours from the mountains. Baltimore is an easy 3 hour drive. The city is a foodie destination with tons of Civil War history, NASCAR and Class IV rapids running right through the city on the James River. Historic Charlottesville is an hour to the west and Colonial Williamsburg is 45 minutes to the east. With Route 95 (north and south) and Route 64 (east and west) running through the city, its a great location for those traveling by car. Richmond International airport is here, Norfolk International is 90 minutes away, and Dulles or Reagan airports are 90 minutes to 2 hours north. That's 4 major airports nearby.

Richmond deserves serious consideration.

There is no way that they would be looking to go to a smaller venue. They are looking to expand the size of the show, not make it smaller. I am also in the keep it in Chicago every year camp.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Sportsnutcards

There is no way that they would be looking to go to a smaller venue. They are looking to expand the size of the show, not make it smaller. I am also in the keep it in Chicago every year camp.

If the people in charge of the show think that, then that is exactly the pedestrian thinking that will not allow the hobby to grow. You have to bring the hobby to people who otherwise won't get to experience a show like that. Doing a smaller venue entices people to go visit the larger venue the next year because then they're hooked. Richmond used to have the Tuff Stuff shows here for years and they were extremely well received. CSA does major sportscard shows in Northern Virginia and they do well and have great autograph guests.

Do Richmond, then Chicago, then another smaller city, then another larger one.

[Jewish-collector]

I'm not sure, but I believe the decision on the National's location for 2024 and 2025 gets decided this week. beer chug.gif

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If the people in charge of the show think that, then that is exactly the pedestrian thinking that will not allow the hobby to grow. You have to bring the hobby to people who otherwise won't get to experience a show like that. Doing a smaller venue entices people to go visit the larger venue the next year because then they're hooked. Richmond used to have the Tuff Stuff shows here for years and they were extremely well received. CSA does major sportscard shows in Northern Virginia and they do well and have great autograph guests.

Do Richmond, then Chicago, then another smaller city, then another larger one.

Appreciate your passion for Richmond. Not seeing the national happen there though. The Civil War history there that you referenced before is probably not a big draw for many.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Appreciate your passion for Richmond. Not seeing the national happen there though. The Civil War history there that you referenced before is probably not a big draw for many.

I can certainly understand that, but its just one of the many cool things here.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If the people in charge of the show think that, then that is exactly the pedestrian thinking that will not allow the hobby to grow. You have to bring the hobby to people who otherwise won't get to experience a show like that. Doing a smaller venue entices people to go visit the larger venue the next year because then they're hooked. Richmond used to have the Tuff Stuff shows here for years and they were extremely well received. CSA does major sportscard shows in Northern Virginia and they do well and have great autograph guests.

Do Richmond, then Chicago, then another smaller city, then another larger one.

Jim, I've lived in No. Va. my entire life, and I enjoyed going to the Tuff Stuff Shows back in the 1990's. But, tell me Jim, what caused their demise? Naturally, I'd love for the National to be held in Richmond, but quite frankly, there isn't a snowball's chance. BTW, how many Nationals have you attended (not trying to be mean - just curious)?

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Jim, I've lived in No. Va. my entire life, and I enjoyed going to the Tuff Stuff Shows back in the 1990's. But, tell me Jim, what caused their demise? Naturally, I'd love for the National to be held in Richmond, but quite frankly, there isn't a snowball's chance. BTW, how many Nationals have you attended (not trying to be mean - just curious)?

If I remember correctly, the company that owned the Tuff Stuff show was bought out by Krause Publications and moved shop to Iowa, maybe?

I have been to 2 Nationals. Both of them were more years ago than I care to think about and probably older than than some people here. I have also been to dozens of card shows over the years, both large and small. I would have loved to attend more Nationals over the years but job and family cut into that. I had actually thought about making the drive up 95 to AC but other things became a priority, sadly.

[isiahfan]

I like Chicago...many flights, variety of other entertainment that should hit everyone's desires, lakefront, food, sports, etc. I am happy with how they have it now with Chigao every other year though...every year and you are still in theory eliminating a portion of your audience (travelers with limited mobility, those that can only drive, etc.). What I think would be a better option is truly rotating that "off year" all over. Cleveland has done well...then jump it to LA...then Houston....Orlando...Vegas...AC (ugh)....try to reach as many people a you can. I am happy to go every other year if it lands in a location I don't want to haul my butt to on the "off years"...and if it lands in a place convenient to me...Cleveland, LV, LA, San Diego, Detroit, etc...great....but try to cater to the larger community.

[Snapolit1]

I think that’s a solid take. I like AC because it is convenient for me and I like the casino diversion, but Chicago every other year and a rotation of 5-6 other locations makes a lot of sense. If I was a dealer I would be concerned about an untested location bombing but that’s prob not likely in this environment.

QUOTE=isiahfan;2259140]I like Chicago...many flights, variety of other

entertainment that should hit everyone's desires, lakefront, food, sports, etc. I am happy with how they have it now with Chigao every other year though...every year and you are still in theory eliminating a portion of your audience (travelers with limited mobility, those that can only drive, etc.). What I think would be a better option is truly rotating that "off year" all over. Cleveland has done well...then jump it to LA...then Houston....Orlando...Vegas...AC (ugh)....try to reach as many people a you can. I am happy to go every other year if it lands in a location I don't want to haul my butt to on the "off years"...and if it lands in a place convenient to me...Cleveland, LV, LA, San Diego, Detroit, etc...great....but try to cater to the larger community.[/QUOTE]

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If I remember correctly, the company that owned the Tuff Stuff show was bought out by Krause Publications and moved shop to Iowa, maybe?

I have been to 2 Nationals. Both of them were more years ago than I care to think about and probably older than than some people here. I have also been to dozens of card shows over the years, both large and small. I would have loved to attend more Nationals over the years but job and family cut into that. I had actually thought about making the drive up 95 to AC but other things became a priority, sadly.

Correct, Tuff-Stuff sold to Krause publications. I recall one of the last Tuff-Stuff shows where the owners (brothers I believe) were sitting at a table near the entrance answering questions. Not an engaging happy pair. I knew then, that Krause was not going to continue promoting shows. The Tuff-Stuff shows coupled with the monthly show in Tysons Corner was a boon for my collection.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Huck

The Tuff-Stuff shows coupled with the monthly show in Tysons Corner was a boon for my collection.

Same here. Virginia is still alive and well for sports memorabilia collectors. I just started setting up at a show in Virginia Beach and the crowds have been good.