Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

If one makes a thread hyping a card that they own, gets upset when anybody says anything that is not even necessarily critical but doesn't further hype the card and is 100% undeniably factually true... I mean, I have a hard time seeing the difference between it being "personal" versus "pumping". I guess the difference is the internal thought process? The act is the same thing here.

The 52 Mantle has the longest and biggest pump and marketing campaign of any card in hobby history. Which is fine, if people want to treat cards as an investment vehicle, they can go ahead. But it is what it is.

This card has been near and dear to Matt for the many years he's been posting here. It's genuine IMO, whether or not one agrees with it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This card has been near and dear to Matt for the many years he's been posting here. It's genuine IMO, whether or not one agrees with it.

I'm going to maintain my position; getting upset over objective facts is a little weird. Whether it's a genuine love or a cold hearted calculation isn't something I addressed nor care about; the end result is blatant pumping of a card. I'm not even anti-52-Mantle, it's a nice card and a nice picture of a young Mickey from a great set. But facts are facts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm going to maintain my position; getting upset over objective facts is a little weird. Whether it's a genuine love or a cold hearted calculation isn't something I addressed nor care about; the end result is blatant pumping of a card. I'm not even anti-52-Mantle, it's a nice card and a nice picture of a young Mickey from a great set. But facts are facts.

I guess to me pumping requires an element of intent, but if you're defining it otherwise we can both be right.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I guess to me pumping requires an element of intent, but if you're defining it otherwise we can both be right.

The intent, from the hyperbolic words used, seems too clearly be to push positive interest, superlatives and publicity to the 52 Mantle. Otherwise, observing facts that are not even negative but just don't help the pumping would not be upsetting to some people. Pumping its reputation is pumping, regardless of whether one is doing this because one loves the card so very much and wants to spread its cheer and joy to others or because one is calculating the profit margin as they do it doesn't change it. I do not claim to know WHY people do what they do, I can only look at what they are saying.