CSG status

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It might be an interesting case study to analyze why, even with major issues affecting the reputations of and satisfaction with the largest industry players and even more so the past couple of years with the "scandal," it apparently remains so difficult for new entrants to join their ranks. I mean look at PSA, massive scandal over altered cards, major crisis with backlog, huge issues with grading fees, but it just cruises right along.

i honestly thought the BODA findings would have a devastating affect on the hobby...NOPE! Too many people who don't know or just don't care.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i honestly thought the BODA findings would have a devastating affect on the hobby...NOPE! Too many people who don't know or just don't care.

The hobby yawned and moved on.

It's funny, for years I thought the only real risk to owning a lot of graded cards was a scandal, although I didn't foresee a BODA type thing but rather was worried some insider would break down end talk. Wrong. Teflon. Joe was absolutely right to play ostrich and just wait it out.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The hobby yawned and moved on.

It's funny, for years I thought the only thing real risk to owning a lot of graded cards was a scandal, although I didn't foresee a BODA type thing but rather was worried some insider would break down and talk. Wrong. Teflon. Joe was absolutely right to play ostrich and just wait it out.

ya...it's shocking that to date...no former graders have come out with the real truth about what goes on behind the curtain.

Someday!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ya...it's shocking that to date...no former graders have come out with the real truth about what goes on behind the curtain.

Someday!

I honestly don't get it. Maybe they're all cashing in on their connections (some doubtless are), I don't know.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ya...it's shocking that to date...no former graders have come out with the real truth about what goes on behind the curtain.

Someday!

Yup! Whistleblowing is not paying the bills.

[glynparson]

I’ll buy in person not online. And the guy being from Beckett is in no way a positive to me. I find Beckett to have quality holders and joke grading. I get PSA and sgc miss things but not to the percent level Beckett has in my opinion. I trust Beckett about as much as I trust a raw card coming from someone exposed by blowout.

[abothebear]

Most people won’t change from what they are doing unless it is financially beneficial for them to do so. A job well-done, a more principles approach, or a better reputation sounds good. And people may wish for those things, or even speak out for or against a party with passionate and well-reasoned words, but they’ll vote with their wallets. And so, like with many things, whatever is will remain. One voters vote has no statistical impact on what happens, so why harm yourself to accomplish nothing? The buyer and seller aren’t going to be the agents of change. Perhaps if the markets did something there might be some movement, but even there, unless it was eBay, it would have to be a substantial group of auction houses that collectively decided not to take consignments of PSA cards (or SCG or whatever) before it started making a difference in the values relative to others.

I think PSA’s price increase and slow turn around have actually helped them maintain their value position. If it was cheap and fast to resubmit, more people would be in on the other graders’ sales in order to resubmit to PSA, driving up the values or this other graders’ cards.

[Leon]

I have some cards to be graded, which will be soon. They are going to CSG. Their VP of grading is hands down the best grader in the industry, imo.
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[hockeyhockey]

used them twice. the original time was an $8 bulk submission. kind of a cheap way to get a card pre-graded, i suppose. they are considered harsh graders, but most cards came back 9 or better.

the original flip was awful. sent a few 9.5 from the original to be re-slabbed as 10 in the new flip. as far as value, they are clearly lower on the market. but i'd consider buying their cards to bust out and re-submit to PSA (also sold a hockey card in a CSG 10 that got a pretty strong return...maybe $15 less than PSA).

[3-2-count]

Take a look how hideous T206’s display in their slab.

Vacuum sealed in a penny sleeve. No thanks.