One hell of a new member introduction story

[oldjudge]

Grand match tickets are from 1863

[mgerton]

I have read some about and seen the debate as to whether Grand Match tickets were to a crickett match, where by accounts a game of baseball was played, or tickets to a baseball game. I just know that these are at least the earliest definitive baseball game tickets. But I am no scholar, and I relish learning!

[tiger8mush]

Very cool, thanks for sharing! I especially like the drawing on the Putnam ticket. Congrats on a neat find and welcome to the forum

[philliesfan]

I as going to make an offer for the Putnam ticket, but it will not work as the ticket is Non-Transferable.

[CurtisFlood]

Welcome, nice first post as well.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by mgerton

I have read some about and seen the debate as to whether Grand Match tickets were to a crickett match, where by accounts a game of baseball was played, or tickets to a baseball game. I just know that these are at least the earliest definitive baseball game tickets. But I am no scholar, and I relish learning!

The best place to see the history of the Grand Match tickets is to look on the REA website for Rob Lifson’s original descriptions. The Grand Match involved both baseball and cricket but they are technically tickets to a baseball game.

[trdcrdkid]

The "E G Curtis" who owned two of these membership cards (and presumably also the third) must be Edward Gansevoort Curtis, who was a member of the Victory Base Ball Club of Troy when it was organized in 1859. He was the team's pitcher in 1859 and the early part of the 1860 season. See pages 50 and 52 below, from Peter Morris's article on the Victory Club in "Base Ball Pioneers, 1850-1870", including an enlargement of Morris's capsule biography of Curtis. Despite Morris's statement that Curtis moved to Washington after graduating from Rensselaer Polytechnic, he must have still been living in Troy in 1869-71, when the membership cards date from. However, the 1900 U.S. Census shows him living in Washington DC as Edward G. Curtis, born October 1837 in New York, listed as a civil engineer living in a boarding house, and single. Despite Morris's statement that he died in Washington, Curtis is buried in Green-Wood cemetery in Brooklyn. (See https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...sevoort-curtis)





As for the membership cards, the Unions of Lansingburgh, aka the Troy Haymakers, succeeded the Victory Club as Troy's premier team after the Civil War, and soon went professional. In 1868 they joined the National Association of Base Ball Players, and in 1869 (the year of the membership card) they had a record of 24-9-1, including a record of 12-8-1 against professional clubs. See the first page below, from Marshall D. Wright's "The National Association of Base Ball Players, 1857-1870". As noted by the OP, in 1871 the Unions were one of the charter members of the National Association of *Professional* Base Ball Players, considered the first professional sports league in the United States.

The Putnam Base Ball Club was also from Troy, New York, but it was an amateur club, and not a member of the National Association of Base Ball Players, as the Unions of Lansingburgh were. The Unions played the Putnams three times in 1870, beating them 59-17 on June 4, 13-5 on September 28, and 45-9 on October 17. See the second page below, also from the Wright book. These are the only records I can find of the Putnams playing any National Association teams, but they obviously must have been around in 1869 and 1871, presumably playing other local amateur teams. (Note: There was another Putnam Base Ball Club that was from Brooklyn, active from 1855 to 1860, but which is not heard of after 1862. William Ryczek has a detailed article on them in the book "Base Ball Founders", pp. 111-117.)

[RCMcKenzie]

So, the OP is related to Herman Melville, that's pretty cool. That IS one helluva intro post. I think I'd keep those tickets in the family.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

So, the OP is related to Herman Melville, that's pretty cool. That IS one helluva intro post. I think I'd keep those tickets in the family.

+1 Agreed WOW

[Leon]

Great first post and well done again, David!
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[mgerton]

David,

Thank you SO, SO much for that information. With you doxxing who E.G was, now i get to start pulling the geaneology thread to figure out what my actual relation to EG is.

Also to everyone else, I am disappointed in you all. I was just telling a friend about the information David shared, and given the Herman Melville connection, he said "Wow! That is a Whale of a tale!!!!" How did you all miss such an excellent pun-portunity?!?!?! ������

[chadeast]

And now we've intersected with the recent White Whale thread and Scott's very cool "Essex and the Whale" card quite nicely! Join us for Melville week, here at net54.

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