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[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

How much the modern day WAR statistic HATES Dante Bichette.

In 1995 Dante came a Tony Gwynn and a Mike Piazza away in the Batting race from winning the the Triple Crown in the National League, and still WAR only credited him with being worth 1.2 Wins above an average player (baseball reference).

Guy played 14 years, was a lifetime .300 hitter with plenty of pop, led the league in hits twice and slugging once. Defensively, he led his outfield position in assists, several times throughout his career (he must have been awful at all other phases of fielding ).

His lifetime WAR is less then Aaron Judges........in the current season.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...icheda01.shtml

Crazy. In 1999, Bichette's dWar was -3.9 and he was tied for 2nd of all outfielders with 17 assists, but was 55th in putouts. I guess he just didn't cover a lot of ground?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Crazy. In 1999, Bichette's dWar was -3.9 and he was tied for 2nd of all outfielders with 17 assists, but was 55th in putouts. I guess he just didn't cover a lot of ground?

Probably not. Whatever manager gave him the green light should've been shot. Pretty crappy base stealer too, despite that 30/30 season.

[packs]

WAR is a weird stat for some people. Right now it's favoring Tommy Edman on the Cardinals in weird ways. His slash line is 252/315/372 with a OPS+ of 98, yet he ranks Fourth among all NL position players wiith a WAR of 5.0, better than Austin Riley, who's slashing 285/351/557 with an OPS+ of 147.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

WAR is a weird stat for some people. Right now it's favoring Tommy Edman on the Cardinals in weird ways. His slash line is 252/315/372 with a OPS+ of 98, yet he ranks Fourth among all NL position players wiith a WAR of 5.0, better than Austin Riley, who's slashing 285/351/557 with an OPS+ of 147.

First off Edman's only .2 ahead of Riley so it's not like Riley is head-scratchingly low in WAR. Also he's a second baseman so his WAR is being generated by being compared to other second basemen, generally a weaker hitting bunch. Finally he's putting up a 2.8 D-WAR as compared to Riley's .3 so Riley, even by WAR is clearly the superior offensive player, but the totality has them about even in helping their team actually win games.

[packs]

But is that accurate is what I'm getting at. I don't think there is anyone who would look at each player and determine Edman is having a better season. His OPS is below replacement level.

I also think dWAR is a totally bogus stat that should be ignored and done away with. Look at Mattingly's dWAR. He was universally regarded as an all world glove at first base. His career dWAR is -6.2. That can't possibly reflect his play.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

But is that accurate is what I'm getting at. I don't think there is anyone who would look at each player and determine Edman is having a better season. His OPS is below replacement level.

I also think dWAR is a totally bogus stat that should be ignored and done away with. Look at Mattingly's dWAR. He was universally regarded as an all world glove at first base. His career dWAR is -6.2. That can't possibly reflect his play.

If you believe WAR, it's accurate. If you don't, it isn't. Don't know how else to look at it. A 2.8 DWAR is Mark Belanger, Ozzie Smith level, especially considering the season isn't over. Couple that with better than average offense for his position (though as you pointed out slightly below average over all) and WAR says he has virtually identical impact on his team's win total as the offensive stud who is average in the field.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If you believe WAR, it's accurate. If you don't, it isn't. Don't know how else to look at it. A 2.8 DWAR is Mark Belanger, Ozzie Smith level, especially considering the season isn't over. Couple that with better than average offense for his position (though as you pointed out slightly below average over all) and WAR says he has virtually identical impact on his team's win total as the offensive stud who is average in the field.

But if dWAR isn't an accurate stat then how could a combination of oWAR and dWAR be accurate? Are you saying Mattingly was a negative impact on the field with a glove in his hand?

I'm pretty sure you saw him play same as I did. Did anyone ever say that?

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