The Best Pitcher in Baseball Is?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah. Well if that's what the OP meant, I might rank Seaver even higher than you do.

I think Maddux, Randy and Seaver are all very, very similar in overall value. Pedro has the best peak of them all, but too short a career to best them. I think it’s clearly Clemens at the top if we don’t punish for steroids. I think it’s hard to put anyone over him in the post-war period entirely. His career is ridiculous, dominating from age 23 through age 43.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think Maddux, Randy and Seaver are all very, very similar in overall value. Pedro has the best peak of them all, but too short a career to best them. I think it’s clearly Clemens at the top if we don’t punish for steroids. I think it’s hard to put anyone over him in the post-war period entirely. His career is ridiculous, dominating from age 23 through age 43.

He had a few years with the Sox at the end where he had pretty bad nagging injuries too, make those years more like the rest of his career and it's even more absurd. His first game back at Fenway after going to Toronto was priceless. Dan Duquette had justified letting him go by saying he was in the twilight of his career. Roger first drills Mo Vaughn to send a message, thpitches a fine game and walks off the mound glaring up at where Duquette sits. It was awesome. Twilight indeed, he won 4 Cy Youngs after that. The last at age 41 LOL.

[gustomania]

Clemens hands down….and not really all that close with 7 CY awards

….end of discussion

[bnorth]

Roger is easily the correct answer. Also we need more pictures.

[Eric72]

Roger Clemens, by a hair.

Tom Seaver, Randy Johnson, and Greg Maddux are in the same league, in my opinion. Steve Carlton, Nolan Ryan and Pedro Martinez are in the neighborhood.

[toppcat]

Career WAR is misleading in a way, it's higher if you pitch longer, unless you negative at the end of a career. 7 year peak WAR might be a better stat.

Clemens is out in my book, cheater.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Career WAR is misleading in a way, it's higher if you pitch longer, unless you negative at the end of a career. 7 year peak WAR might be a better stat.

Clemens is out in my book, cheater.

The JAWS metric which is an average of career and peak WAR is good also IMO.