T206 Honus Wagner SGC 5 - John D. Wagner Collection

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

Was this card in an old SGC 60/5 holder previously? There were some very soft 60's graded way back, maybe they knew it didn't really make a difference so they left the grade (sort of like a legacy grade). I've seen a few PSA graded 2 and 3 Wagners that are obvious 1's today rholdered the same grade. Its probably just a legacy grade for Wagners so they don't have to change pop reports or registries.
GB

It was graded in July 2021

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

It was graded in July 2021

And graded completely abandoning their own written grade definitions and all the while implementing more harsh standards to the average collector's submissions.

Makes zero sense to me.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

And graded completely abandoning their own written grade definitions and all the while implementing more harsh standards to the average collector's submissions.

Makes zero sense to me.

I think it makes cents

[Exhibitman]

Now who do you suppose made SGC overgrade such a high profile card?

[campyfan39]

another example that grading sucks

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I think it makes cents

I think it also makes scents, no?

[Republicaninmass]

Again THOSE 4.5 and 5.5s 50/50 t/b


The Wagner isnt even close

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I think it also makes scents, no?

The beautiful sweet scent of manure, wafting through the SGC grading facilities.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

The beautiful sweet scent of manure, wafting through the SGC grading facilities.

Piled high and deep.

[boneheadandrube]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

It was graded in July 2021

The new cert numbers on SGC are a different number structure than the old. I have reholdered many cards and they do not re-use the older format certs, they create a new one and it gets entered as being graded the day it was reholdered. There is a 60/5 listed in the old SGC pop and a new 5 listed in the new report. I'm guessing this is just a legacy reholder.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

The new cert numbers on SGC are a different number structure than the old. I have reholdered many cards and they do not re-use the older format certs, they create a new one and it gets entered as being graded the day it was reholdered. There is a 60/5 listed in the old SGC pop and a new 5 listed in the new report. I'm guessing this is just a legacy reholder.

I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by the old SGC pop?
You can view the Pop grades in either the old format or the new format.
Either way, they have graded 18 Honus Wagners (1 Piedmont, and 17 Sweet Cap) and only one is a 5.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by the old SGC pop?
You can view the Pop grades in either the old format or the new format.
Either way, they have graded 18 Honus Wagners (1 Piedmont, and 17 Sweet Cap) and only one is a 5.

What Greg is saying is this card was graded before and is in the old pop report as a 60/5 but it was put in a new holder and now shows up in the new pop report as a 5 but they changed the cert number and it shows as being graded recently. PSA on the other hand keeps the same cert number when they re-holder a card which I think is the better way to do it.

Here's another SGC Wagner that changed holders and cert numbers.

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[cgjackson222]

Where can one view the old pop report?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Where can one view the old pop report?

At the top of the page it says show it says show old grading yes or no and the default is no so you have to change that to yes.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Pat R

At the top of the page it says show it says show old grading yes or no and the default is no so you have to change that to yes.

As previously mentioned, doesn't changing it to old grading, just change the way the grade is displayed? It doesn't seem to matter if you are viewing the old or the new grade. The pop report remains the same--they have graded 18 Honus Wagners.

[luciobar1980]

My first thought was also that those are some worn corners for a 5. BUT, if literally everything else about the card is damn nice I don’t think it’s unreasonable.