Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[packs]

You don't see Yadi as a lock? I would expect him to get in first ballot no doubt.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

You don't see Yadi as a lock? I would expect him to get in first ballot no doubt.

Along with Corey Dickerson of course :P

Seriously though. the trend towards worrying what ballot people get in on, or what percentage of the vote they got, has definitely weakened, and rightfully so. If you' are a HOF'er you were the first year on the ballot so why artificially make someone wait? The list of guys who didn't make it on their first ballot is astonishing by today's standards*, and Mo Rivera would've been nowhere near 100% 20 years ago.

All that to say, I think Molina will inspire some spirited debate. The same guys who think making people wait is stupid are also the guys who like advanced stats, and Yady's 42 WAR would be one of the worst numbers ever enshrined. So Yeah I'd bet he DOESN'T make it first ballot.

*ignoring the early backlog guys, off the top of my head:

Jimmy Foxx
Joe DiMaggio
Yogi Berra
Hank Greenberg
Duke Snider
Mel Ott
Eddie Matthews

[packs]

In my mind you're talking about one of the most gifted catchers anyone has seen in a very long time. Glove first, maybe. But I think he's a HOFer.

[mrreality68]

Agree the only thing that will limit/stop Degrom’s potential is age and health. Started later than others in the majors and his health has been issues for years so the key is to stay healthy to play long enough to March hopefully into the HOF he has the stuff and his resume is looking great jobs needs to fill in a few more chapters to his career

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

In my mind you're talking about one of the most gifted catchers anyone has seen in a very long time. Glove first, maybe. But I think he's a HOFer.

Is his glove at catcher better so much better than Vizquel's at shortstop?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I'd be shocked if Molina doesn't get in on his first or second try DeGrom, I don't know, although his stats probably need to be assessed against new norms for what's considered a great season and by extension a career.