The PSA 101 Jordan is here

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have it on very good authority that is the first Jordan card. However, I think it being oversize may limit its upside.

I think the long play will change the perspective much as it has in vintage with exhibits. The Court King 26 will someday get its due.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The site I linked addresses many of the misconceptions.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I think the long play will change the perspective much as it has in vintage with exhibits. The Court King 26 will someday get its due.

Totally agree. The 5x7 cards were innovative and contain some real iconic photos. Some feel the Court Kings 5x7 came out at the same time or just before the regular, standard-sized 1984-85 base set. I think its fair to say they were "virtually simultaneously" printed. We know that they were produced (printed and cut) at the print shop in Cherry Hill, NJ in early 1985, during the spring... but that's its. Impossible (so far) to prove anything else. I've seen some early documents from the Star/Levin sale and nothing proves otherwise to me personally.

That said, I consider the #101 Jordan's rookie card. I don't care what you call it (RC, XRC, FPC, TRC, etc). We all know what it really is. Jordan's other two base set cards, the #195 Olympic card and the #288 ROY card are also special, rookie year cards. To me, that's Jordan's rookie year complement of cards. Closely following is the CK 5x7 and the Interlake Bulls 5x7 (not a Star product) IMHO.

Team Supers 5x7 and CK 5x7 are awesome cards with no real authenticity issues and some have amazing photos, like the Barkley below.

I also agree that the Fleer investors are the ones raising issues with Star. Given the FBI case, the auctions, the Schonco inventory, TPG efforts, etc, Star Company is as well established as ANY card produced before 1990.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Barkley and Olajuwon.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

Totally agree. The 5x7 cards were innovative and contain some real iconic photos. Some feel the Court Kings 5x7 came out at the same time or just before the regular, standard-sized 1984-85 base set. I think its fair to say they were "virtually simultaneously" printed. We know that they were produced (printed and cut) at the print shop in Cherry Hill, NJ in early 1985, during the spring... but that's its. Impossible (so far) to prove anything else. I've seen some early documents from the Star/Levin sale and nothing proves otherwise to me personally.

That said, I consider the #101 Jordan's rookie card. I don't care what you call it (RC, XRC, FPC, TRC, etc). We all know what it really is. Jordan's other two base set cards, the #195 Olympic card and the #288 ROY card are also special, rookie year cards. To me, that's Jordan's rookie year complement of cards. Closely following is the CK 5x7 and the Interlake Bulls 5x7 (not a Star product) IMHO.

Team Supers 5x7 and CK 5x7 are awesome cards with no real authenticity issues and some have amazing photos, like the Barkley below.

I also agree that the Fleer investors are the ones raising issues with Star. Given the FBI case, the auctions, the Schonco inventory, TPG efforts, etc, Star Company is as well established as ANY card produced before 1990.

I think the Lite, Crunch n Munch, Gatorade and Last 11 ROY cards are also good.

[Econteachert205]

The only super reprints I have seen are not the right size and immediately recognizable. It has been my opinion that the supers are the most undervalued basketball cards in the market.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The only super reprints I have seen are not the right size and immediately recognizable. It has been my opinion that the supers are the most undervalued basketball cards in the market.

Me too.... I've been buying them up when I see the nicer ones for sale reasonably priced.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think the Lite, Crunch n Munch, Gatorade and Last 11 ROY cards are also good.

I love them all! I just really favor the three base set 84-85 Jordan cards numbered 101, 195, 288.

So many nice cards produced by Star, glad PSA is finally on board. They'll move to the rest of the catalog after they get comfortable with the 84-85 set (I hope). You have some nice examples Peter.

A few big auctions of these cards going on now by large sellers on eBay. You guys interested/watching these? Could set some new price comp's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

I love them all! I just really favor the three base set 84-85 Jordan cards numbered 101, 195, 288.

So many nice cards produced by Star, glad PSA is finally on board. They'll move to the rest of the catalog after they get comfortable with the 84-85 set (I hope). You have some nice examples Peter.

A few big auctions of these cards going on now by large sellers on eBay. You guys interested/watching these? Could set some new price comp's.

The 288 is notoriously off center hard to imagine one legitimately grading higher than a 7. Of course 195 is typically not that well centered either, or 101 for that matter. IMO Beckett graded a fair number that had been trimmed to improve centering. I hope those don't get into PSA slabs. The subset cards on the other hand don't have centering issues.

[Rad_Hazard]

The 1984 Star Jordan 195 USA is finally in a PSA holder too! The centering on this one is virtually the same across all copies, but I have faith in my copy since it's a BGS 7.5 with much better corners and edges than this one, but unfortunately the same centering. I could see mine crossing over to a PSA 7 though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23463745700...QAAOSwUT5i4IwX

[Peter_Spaeth]

So far, anyhow, I am not going to cross over my 101 or 195. They are mint cards but for typical centering and I think they would get shot down by PSA.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The subset cards on the other hand don't have centering issues.

Unless you're lucky like me:



Needless to say, not crossing it.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Unless you're lucky like me:



Needless to say, not crossing it.

I love those old red badged SCD holders! Have several accurately graded ones that look cool in that nice clear holder. I don’t hesitate to buy the original red badge SCD’s for Star cards, often at a discount.

GAI is a different story for me, if I ever buy a GAI graded card, I take it out of the holder as soon as I can. They’ve left a bad taste in many mouths from their antics back in the day.