Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[irv]

Originally Posted by brass_rat

For those at National this week, the SGC 9.5 and the PSA 10 DBack Collection are both on display in the corporate area.

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Both cards look fantastic and are drawing so much attention at the National this week.

Would love to see that 10 sell at auction and see what it goes for after the 9.5 at auction.

Do they happen to be side by side by chance?
Just curious, if they are, how they look comparatively speaking?

[Exhibitman]

"Frankly, we'd take it a step further, and proclaim that this trading card represents the quintessence of every metric that has historically been used to measure value in the collectibles marketplace. This is real rarity, not a machine-stamped "One of One" on a card printed last year. This is real significance--the cross-section of a defining moment in trading card and baseball history. This is the finest example thereof. This is a spectacular long-shot miracle of the collectible marketplace, deserving of its inevitable return to global headlines and that same question that haunts all record auction sales, spoken in all the languages of the world."

[Republicaninmass]

I couldnt get a photo, but I stood here and just kept trying to "wipe" the stain off in between people taking photos

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

"Frankly, we'd take it a step further, and proclaim that this trading card represents the quintessence of every metric that has historically been used to measure value in the collectibles marketplace. This is real rarity, not a machine-stamped "One of One" on a card printed last year. This is real significance--the cross-section of a defining moment in trading card and baseball history. This is the finest example thereof. This is a spectacular long-shot miracle of the collectible marketplace, deserving of its inevitable return to global headlines and that same question that haunts all record auction sales, spoken in all the languages of the world."

That was quite the word salad!

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by irv

Do they happen to be side by side by chance?
Just curious, if they are, how they look comparatively speaking?

No, they aren't displayed together. Both are beautiful looking cards. At least to my eyes, the stain people are talking about on the SGC 9.5 is not very noticeable in real life.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by jayshum

No, they aren't displayed together. Both are beautiful looking cards. At least to my eyes, the stain people are talking about on the SGC 9.5 is not very noticeable in real life.

Even on the giant cardboard cutout to pose in?


It's not awful, but its certainly there. Toning at the very least

[nwfsteve]

I stuck my head in the cutout because why not? It’s a great card but I concur on the stain. 52 Mantles are all over the place here, upper priced but not even close to rare compared to a centered 1960 Fleer Jim Woodard FB of which there are zero here..

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by nwfsteve

I stuck my head in the cutout because why not? It’s a great card but I concur on the stain. 52 Mantles are all over the place here, upper priced but not even close to rare compared to a centered 1960 Fleer Jim Woodard FB of which there are zero here..

Rather than equating all the 52 Mantles to a rarely centered copy of the 1960 Woodward, let's make it an apples to apples comparison: other than the SGC 9.5, and obviously excluding the tilted PSA 10, how many Mantles are there that are as centered as the SGC 9.5, even if they have creases or bent corners?

[G1911]

One of the big arguments for grading, besides that it can be used to make people money, has long been that it gives a buyer confidence, because it reveals flaws that may not be noticed without a professional look. Thus a NM-MT looking card may get a 3 or a 4 if lucky for a tiny wrinkle that is difficult to spot in a normal context. Grading is technical, not perfectly so because it is done by a man and not a machine program, but it is not based on eye appeal but the actual damage to the card and it’s state, not an eye glance test.

Interesting that now the narrative is the exact opposite, that the card is a 9.5 because it has great eye appeal and Mr. Mint said it was the best. Thus, it is implied, we should ignore that it obviously does not meet SGC’s published standards, both for centering and for the stain. Even though both of these flaws are obvious, the back centering at a one second glance.

It’s a great card in great condition for a 52 Mantle. Maybe it is the best one (it sure isn’t the best one because Mr. Mint, a man I have never before seen propped up as a source of honest integrity, said so). It will set a record. I’d love to have it and never will. Mantle investors can piggyback off it and the pump on Mantles will continue as it always has, most all Mantle holders will end up making money if they choose to sell some day. And the card does not meet SGC’s criteria for a 9.5.

[Lorewalker]

Again....an awesome card. Everyone in the hobby would be proud to own it and even more proud if they could afford it however this is another blatant example of how 3rd party grading is not so 3rd party when it comes to biases. Those biases seem to go both ways. Some may like to write it off as too many graders, fatigue in the grading room or just normal inconsistencies that might occur in a grading room.

I am 100% certain that had any of us submitted this amazing card we would not have gotten a 9.5 from SGC. Not picking on them because PSA does his BS all the time too. Just a fact of life--not all submitters are equal.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by G1911

(it sure isn’t the best one because Mr. Mint, a man I have never before seen propped up as a source of honest integrity, said so).

LOL. I'm trying to figure out if there was another Mr. Mint floating around that I hadn't met.