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[ALR-bishop]

Another 70 Leader card with defects....not the same card, front and back of two different # 67s

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Another 70 Leader card with defects....not the same card, front and back of two different # 67s

Al,

That card also can be found with a white line across the top too.

Question for you. Do you have these defects already in your collection or do you come across them as you do searches? And do you have a database of all your defects/variations? Can a glom onto a copy of it if you do?

I have seen comments here regarding your extensive expertise in this area and have added many cards to my collection based on your postings. Point in fact, I finally found the one you just listed. Not an easy one to come by based on my searching.....but I have one now.

Thanks.

Butch

[ALR-bishop]

Anything I post I have, but since I do variants for all Topps, Fleer and Bowman sets I do not keep a master list. Way back we debated starting a list or index in the never ending variations thread but gave up early on. I too get a lot of help in looking for stuff from the postings on here.

I have often used Richard Dingman's lists. This is just his 50s list


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...2N_HQLdKk5xD8-

[butchie_t]

Thanks for the info and the link Al.

Nice info on that site, or bad for a variation searching junkie.

Regards,

Butch.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Here are some of my black-less (as well as "black-lessing", red-less, and yellow-less) pick-ups.

[Sliphorn]

On this card, there is a red slash on his right arm and a short vertical line at the top. I have one and saw three of these on COMC. All have both the slash and the line.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Thomas. Not common but not hard to find

[Mark70Z]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Here are some of my black-less (as well as "black-lessing", red-less, and yellow-less) pick-ups.

LOVE the coloring on those '71 Progressive Proofs.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Mark70Z

LOVE the coloring on those '71 Progressive Proofs.

Thank you, Mark. Obviously, the Bando and the Fregosi appear to be "blue" only proofs. The Wine card seems to have just 3 colors lacking the black, the same as the Garvey in this thread: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1583626

As with the Garvey and Beckert card, these 3 cards have normal backs

My question then is, is the Wine card simply black-less card or is it a 3-color progressive proof? If it is a 3-color progressive proof, what is the progression of the first 3 colors on the progressive proofs? My guess is that blue would be the first color as the Beckert, Bando and Fregosi cards are blue only. So, is a blue/yellow only card or a blue/red only card second in the progression after the blue only?

ETA: I found my own answer:

From the Dictionary of Marketing Terms: progressive proofs (progs)
Set of proofs made during the four-color printing process; also called color proofs. Typically, there are seven different impressions in a set of progressive proofs: one for each color alone and then the combinations as succeeding colors are added. The final proof will show the finished color reproduction. An example of a progressive sequence follows: (1) impression of the red plate; (2) impression of the yellow plate; (3) impression of the yellow plate on the red plate; (4) impression of the blue plate; (5) impression of the blue plate on the yellow and red plate; (6) impression of the black plate; (7) impression of the black plate on the yellow, red, and blue plate.


With this in mind, the Wise and Garvey cards would be #5s, while the Fregosi and Bando would be #4s.