Heritage Rosen Mantle - Greatest Card Ever Auctioned?

[puckpaul]

Definitely curious that SGC was used. I think that is a huge boost to SGC since i cannot recall a top top card like this in an SGC holder. Any others?

[Republicaninmass]

It's a great card, but there is toning/staining that just cant be ignored. Someone will buy the flip for the bragging rights.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

It's a great card, but there is toning/staining that just cant be ignored. Someone will buy the flip for the bragging rights.

Agreed about the stains and agreed this card will be about the bragging rights

[Johnny630]

Since Multiple people are brining up staining... I have one question to them, What grade would you give it?? To me, this card deserves a SGC 9.5.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Since Multiple people are brining up staining... I have one question to them, What grade would you give it?? To me, this card deserves a SGC 9.5.

If I had submitted it I would have been hoping for an 8. That's what I would have graded it myself. And a fine looking 8 it would be.

[bobbyw8469]

Dick Towle could have got that stain out. Just sayin'.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Dick Towle could have got that stain out. Just sayin'.

Ethics aside, who in their right mind would risk any damage to a card like that?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Since Multiple people are brining up staining... I have one question to them, What grade would you give it?? To me, this card deserves a SGC 9.5.

SGC’s standards seem to make it a 7 at best.

A card better than mint does not have obvious and significant staining, under any grading companies criteria.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Since Multiple people are brining up staining... I have one question to them, What grade would you give it?? To me, this card deserves a SGC 9.5.

I could not agree more. To my eyes, this card is one of the prettiest 311s I have ever seen, with the toning in that top border or not. I see this as a case of the card meriting the grade and not someone merely buying a flip. I think if someone is paying attention to the flip on this one, they are focusing their eyes on the wrong thing. It's a beautiful card IMO.

Also, in my experience, a flaw like the one that has been pointed out— such things seem glaring when enlarged in a scan, yet in hand, in real, daily life, they are not bothersome, at least to me. I've been on the fence about cards from something I became fixated on in a scan, and then when I received the card in hand, I was happily impressed by how what I thought could have been an issue for me was no issue at all. In short, scans and enlargements can often be distorting/misleading. My hunch is that is the case with this beauty and that in hand it would not disappoint.

In sum, I just cannot hate on this card. As a huge proponent of "buy the card" and someone who has never needed high grade to be totally satisfied, if I had the means I would buy this one in a heartbeat and love looking at it in hand every day til I croaked.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Definitely curious that SGC was used. I think that is a huge boost to SGC since i cannot recall a top top card like this in an SGC holder. Any others?

SGC already has the highest priced card ever sold, the SGC 3 T206 Wagner that sold last year in REA.
With this card, SGC will have the two highest ever. Take that, PSA.

[cannonballsun]

Here's the pics

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

SGC already has the highest priced card ever sold, the SGC 3 T206 Wagner that sold last year in REA.
With this card, SGC will have the two highest ever. Take that, PSA.

Yes but it won't change the fact that 90 percent of cards in SGC holders will sell for less, and frequently much less, than the equivalent PSA.

[Jewish-collector]

My guess is that this guy might want it for display in New York:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Cohen_(businessman)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

My guess is that this guy might want it for display in New York:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Cohen_(businessman)

He is a part owner of PSA though.

[slightlyrounded]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He is a part owner of PSA though.

pretty good way to hedge one’s business!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by slightlyrounded

pretty good way to hedge one’s business!

Maybe he'll buy it and cross it over to a PSA 8.

[ruth-gehrig]

In Rosen's letter he says this back is perfectly centered

His statement that the front is perfectly centered side to side and top to bottom appears to be more accurate and perhaps it's the scan but is anyone else seeing the slightest diamond cut? To me looks like top left border is larger than top right and bottom left is smaller than bottom right. Very small difference. Maybe someone could enlarge this image and measure it out.

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

In Rosen's letter he says this back is perfectly centered

His statement that the front is perfectly centered side to side and top to bottom appears to be more accurate and perhaps it's the scan but is anyone else seeing the slightest diamond cut? To me looks like top left border is larger than top right and bottom left is smaller than bottom right. Very small difference. Maybe someone could enlarge this image and measure it out.

This is from the PSA forum thread.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

In Rosen's letter he says this back is perfectly centered

His statement that the front is perfectly centered side to side and top to bottom appears to be more accurate and perhaps it's the scan but is anyone else seeing the slightest diamond cut? To me looks like top left border is larger than top right and bottom left is smaller than bottom right. Very small difference. Maybe someone could enlarge this image and measure it out.

60/40 centering for a 9, 55/45 for a 10, no notation for a 9.5: https://www.gosgc.com/card-grading/submissions

I think the big stain is the larger problem, but this does not look like a 60/40 back.

As for Mr. Rosen's statements, this thread has informed me that he was a man of impeccable honesty and whatever he says must be true, lest it interfere with the narrative.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by cannonballsun

SGC already has the highest priced card ever sold, the SGC 3 T206 Wagner that sold last year in REA.
With this card, SGC will have the two highest ever. Take that, PSA.

Doesn't Ken Kendrick still own the Gretzky T206 Wagner, and a PSA10 '52 Topps Mantle? Wait till he passes and those come up for sale and then we'll see about which TPG has the most expensive cards ever sold. LOL

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by BobC

Doesn't Ken Kendrick still own the Gretzky T206 Wagner, and a PSA10 '52 Topps Mantle? Wait till he passes and those come up for sale and then we'll see about which TPG has the most expensive cards ever sold. LOL

If they get sold. Ken's been on record multiple times saying his cards will remain with him until death at which point his son inherits them. And, like any respectable red blooded teenage American boy, it's been had on good authority that the junior Kendrick isn't ever selling THE Honus Wagner card!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

If they get sold. Ken's been on record multiple times saying his cards will remain with him until death at which point his son inherits them. And, like any respectable red blooded teenage American boy, it's been had on good authority that the junior Kendrick isn't ever selling THE Honus Wagner card!

Figures. LOL

My guess is that card is not just famous, it is now infamous due to the Mastro story and his imprisonment, and would likely eclipse the price of any other card ever sold.

Plus, aren't there actually three different PSA 10 Mantles from the '52 Topps set, all with no qualifiers? Chances are one of the other two will eventually show up for sale then. Can only guess what one of those would possibly bring at auction.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Figures. LOL

My guess is that card is not just famous, it is now infamous due to the Mastro story and his imprisonment, and would likely eclipse the price of any other card ever sold.

Plus, aren't there actually three different PSA 10 Mantles from the '52 Topps set, all with no qualifiers? Chances are one of the other two will eventually show up for sale then. Can only guess what one of those would possibly bring at auction.

There are three. Unless he sold it privately, Marshall Fogel still has one. I don't think we know who owns the third?