What's up with Mike Trout?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by packs

Total combined seasons in which Cobb and Wagner played in the postseason: 5 total seasons

Total combined seasons they did not appear in the postseason: 40 seasons

Great point

but they are some of the Biggest and Earliest legends of the game and it was made in part from their personalities, the media and they even played each other in the World Series (and their is even a famous card with them shaking hands (1910 PC796 and 1909 W.W. SMITH POSTCARD)

[packs]

True but that meeting occurred in 1909. Cobb was 22 years old and it was the last time he ever appeared in a World Series. He played another 19 seasons for obscure Tiger and A's teams and is still one of the most recognizable names in the sport.

The point I'm trying to make is that greatness does not go overlooked and neither is Trout. If you follow baseball today, you know Trout is the king of the sport.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by packs

True but that meeting occurred in 1909. Cobb was 22 years old and it was the last time he ever appeared in a World Series. He played another 19 seasons for obscure Tiger and A's teams and is still one of the most recognizable names in the sport.

The point I'm trying to make is that greatness does not go overlooked and neither is Trout. If you follow baseball today, you know Trout is the king of the sport.

I agree he is the current “king” of the sport but I do not believe when his career ends he will be seen as one of the greatest and/or legends of all time. If it continues the way it is

[packs]

To that I would say this; take a look at the list of other 3 time MVP players:

Because they aren't going away:
Bonds
A-rod

The rest:
Albert Pujols
Mike Schmidt
Mickey Mantle
Yogi Berra
Roy Campanella
Stan Musial
Joe DiMaggio
Jimmie Foxx

and of course, Mike Trout. Pretty hefty list and if he wins a fourth MVP, which I really don't think is far from the realm of possibility, he is again in a class of his own.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

To that I would say this; take a look at the list of other 3 time MVP players:

Because they aren't going away:
Bonds
A-rod

The rest:
Albert Pujols
Mike Schmidt
Mickey Mantle
Yogi Berra
Roy Campanella
Stan Musial
Joe DiMaggio
Jimmie Foxx

and of course, Mike Trout. Pretty hefty list and if he wins a fourth MVP, which I really don't think is far from the realm of possibility, he is again in a class of his own.

Yes hes an ELITE Regular Season player at this point.....i dont doubt he would be great in playoffs as well but if he doest get the chance, you cant put him over others who proved to be great against far better playoff competition.

of course a terrible regular season player who was great int he playoffs wouldnt make that player better than trout....however there could be other 3x MVP or lesser that is considered better due to the entire body of work including playoffs.

[packs]

He plays against every AL team every season and against a number of NL teams through interleague play. He is playing every playoff team. It's not like the AL and NL are separate any longer.

There is a Brian Doyle for every Mariano Rivera in the postseason. It really isn't the maker or breaker it's made out to be.

To echo an earlier post; Ted Williams hit 200 over 7 career postseason games. Is there any argument over the player he was?

[nat]

Whatever happens with the post season (which 40% of teams now qualify for, let's not pretend it's all that special), Trout is already one of the greatest to have ever played.

Career slash lines, along with OPS+ (which is adjusted to account for the context in which the player played)

Trout: 303/416/584, and 176
DiMaggio: 325/398/579 and 155

Trout is a better hitter than Joe DiMaggio, and they both play centerfield. He's already accumulated more total value to his career than DiMaggio, despite playing in more than 300 fewer games. And he's still only 30.

He's currently 38th all-time in career WAR (tied with Jeff Bagwell). By the end of the year he should be roughly tied with Ken Griffey Jr. If he's healthy next year he'll finish the season up around Wade Boggs and Jimmie Foxx. The only question with Trout at this point is health. It's been iffy so far. If the injuries catch up to him, he's a better version of Griffey. If not, he's a top 10 player.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

True but that meeting occurred in 1909. Cobb was 22 years old and it was the last time he ever appeared in a World Series. He played another 19 seasons for obscure Tiger and A's teams and is still one of the most recognizable names in the sport.

The point I'm trying to make is that greatness does not go overlooked and neither is Trout. If you follow baseball today, you know Trout is the king of the sport.

yes, but still taking advantage of a playoff opportunity is still better than someone who never receives the opportunity...

some elite players have not been great in the playoffs which has hurt their reputation as well so with risk there is reward.......

In the playoffs you dont get to hit against number 4 and number 5 Starting pitchers, you also dont get to put up huge stats against the terrible teams...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

True but that meeting occurred in 1909. Cobb was 22 years old and it was the last time he ever appeared in a World Series. He played another 19 seasons for obscure Tiger and A's teams and is still one of the most recognizable names in the sport.

The point I'm trying to make is that greatness does not go overlooked and neither is Trout. If you follow baseball today, you know Trout is the king of the sport.

yes, but still taking advantage of a playoff opportunity is till better than someone who never receives the opportunity...

some elite players have not been great in the playoffs which has hurt their reputation as well so with risk there is reward.......


Jeter hit like .308 in the playoffs