new low for the ebay authenticity thing

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by G1911

Hopefully they update this to protect raw buyers to the same degree as buyers of already graded cards.

After eBay sends the card to CSG to take a look, CSG should ship it to PSA who will then authenticate that CSG did, in fact, authenticate the actual card. Then PSA can ship it to the buyer.

I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Bill77

I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.

Brilliant! With a QR code and folder from each, I will finally sleep easy that my card is real.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Bill77

I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.

And then on to MBA for a Gold Diamond Sticker too!

If I am buying raw on eBay I do not need CSG's opinion on the card. I woul dnot be bidding if I was worried the card was altered, counterfeit or graded wrong. Thanks but no thanks. Same with buying a graded card...I do not need PSA telling me the slab is ok and certainly do not need them telling me a CSG, BVG or SGC slab is good. That is laughable.

[dmats33312]

Not only is it about tampered slab but also getting a box of rocks. I think people forgot quickly how long things took to get 2 years ago, an extra week or so is nothing and tbh, if I'm buying a big card I prefer not to have to worry about the slab being tampered, the raw card being fake or altered or receiving a pile of 91 Fleer instead of a my slabbed Goudey.

[Snapolit1]

interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”.

Which post #'s have postulated this argument?

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….

People tend to not like things they think are inconvenient. I've yet to meet a fellow who welcomes inconvenience.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….

Agree

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….

I wish I had a good fake slab. I’d bet that if it went to PSA for review, it would pass. At least in the context of this program. But do let us know when you hear of a single card that gets rejected.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wish I had a good fake slab. I’d bet that if it went to PSA for review, it would pass. At least in the context of this program. But do let us know when you hear of a single card that gets rejected.

Well hopefully we can all find out right here on Net54.

Most of the slabbed cards are PSA's right? Maybe 75% of them or more? It would seem PSA should know a lot about their own faked or resealed slabs. And they should be able to build up expertise on the others, assuming they take their job seriously. I don't know why they wouldn't. Ebay might only be paying $5 a slab to do the review so you can't spend a whole lot of time there I guess, but once you have seen enough of them a bad one should stand out.

And I also assume that just by setting up the review process, ebay has caused many of the fake slab sellers to have gone away, so there may not be a lot of bad slabs to find anymore.

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….

If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.

Thank you.

Unfortunately, with this hobby and many other facets of life, personal responsibility went out the window a long time ago.

[Snapolit1]

Opting out …. the new American mantra. Every system put in place should have my seal of approval on in. Fuck getting a drivers license, if I want to drive without a license or insurance it should be my right. Same with airport security and everything else. Only sheepies let other people tell them what they have to do.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.

Unfortunately if someone is an idiot and gets scammed by an ebay seller it reflects poorly on the whole platform. Most people are looking for a site where they don't have to navigate through that nonsense. Good for you that you embrace it but you might have to find somewhere else to fulfill your adventurous side.

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[steve B]

There are others way more qualified to answer, and if I didn't expect the answer to be long I'd ask it differently.

Should a buyer expect Ebay to protect them from their own ignorance?

Is there a legal basis for that expectation?

And the unanswerable - why do people find it so onerous to relieve themselves of their ignorance by learning things and instead abdicate that responsibility to a proven incompetent or corrupt third party?

I generally find willful ignorance worse than the scamming itself.

[Snowman]

Not giving buyers the option to bypass this authentication step is the part I dislike. I don't need help determining if a card or slab is authentic or not.

[JimmyC]

I’ve bought a few recently….the delay is not bothersome…do not like the sealed baggies though….as mentioned above, you can’t even see the entire card….I buy cards to enjoy - not to put into some vault….needless to say, the baggies are in the trash as is all of the packaging material….

[dmats33312]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.

You have a choice, don't use eBay. It's pretty simple.

[Jay Wolt]

The concept makes sense as it can get the fraudsters out.....
but how much longer will it be until the buyers have to pay for this service?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by dmats33312

You have a choice, don't use eBay. It's pretty simple.

It seems like this choice is getting more and more popular, at least for Prewar cards.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by dmats33312

You have a choice, don't use eBay. It's pretty simple.

Ah. One of them. Gotcha.

[Exhibitman]

And to illustrate the problem I mentioned yesterday:



I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

And to illustrate the problem I mentioned yesterday:



I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.

Appreciate the pic, it's good to see what the wrapper looks like. It doesn't look too bad to me but if you don't like it, why don't you take it off? You didn't buy it for the authentication, so just take the baggie off and toss it, you'll be no worse off.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Appreciate the pic, it's good to see what the wrapper looks like. It doesn't look too bad to me but if you don't like it, why don't you take it off? You didn't buy it for the authentication, so just take the baggie off and toss it, you'll be no worse off.

I am taking off the sleeve because I don't care. My point is that if I cared about it I would either (1) not be able to see the whole card, or (2) void the eBay guarantee. That is not a well-considered product.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I am taking off the sleeve because I don't care. My point is that if I cared about it I would either (1) not be able to see the whole card, or (2) void the eBay guarantee. That is not a well-considered product.

Adam, I believe the point of the eBay guarantee is that you received what you paid for. I believe 'breaking the seal' would only prevent you from a return (busting chain of custody thingy).

My son, who can pick a fake sneaker out while someone is sprinting, was saved from the hassle of being ripped off by the authenticity program on a pair of relatively low end Nike. Apparently the seller had real photos and was shipping fakes.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

...I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.

Adam, get with the times. Today's new breed of sophisticated collector doesn't care about the card. Only the flip matters.

Besides, all cards will eventually reside in vaults. The true collector will be the one with the most spreadsheets.