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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We know that Mastro admitted trimming the Wagner but I don't buy the speculation that it was cut from a sheet just prior to that by Alan Ray, Bob Sevchuck or anyone else. There would have been multiple examples of Wagner on the sheet and none have surfaced in past the 35+ years to support the speculation.

Wasn't there a companion sheet cut Plank? In any case I don't understand anyone to be claiming Ray or Sevchuck had cut it, just that it was in fact sheet cut wherever it originated.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wasn't there a companion sheet cut Plank? In any case I don't understand anyone to be claiming Ray or Sevchuck had cut it, just that it was in fact sheet cut wherever it originated.

It's speculated that this Plank might have come from the same sheet.

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[gonefishin]

Isn't this one of the most horrible cards of Mantle every made? Look how childish he looks!

[Jerry G]

Napolean Lajoie does not appear in the 1933 Goudey set. He does have a card in the 1934 Goudey issue with a peculiar number.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wasn't there a companion sheet cut Plank? In any case I don't understand anyone to be claiming Ray or Sevchuck had cut it, just that it was in fact sheet cut wherever it originated.

I've seen the claim on numerous occasions it was even in the book The Card.

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[G1911]

If the Wagner came from uncut material, my presumption would be it wasn’t actually a full sheet and was a strip. A sheet or even a panel of a sheet should have multiple Wagners (and Plank’s, if the Plank came from the same source).

[jingram058]

I gave away a Wagner. It was a fake.

I gave away a 52 Mantle. It also was a fake.

It used to be that the fakes were totally obvious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I've seen the claim on numerous occasions it was even in the book The Card.

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OK now I recall that from the book. Why are you skeptical?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

OK now I recall that from the book. Why are you skeptical?

Because there would have been several on a sheet and if it was cut from a sheet in 1985 other examples would have surfaced not only by now but a long time ago.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Because there would have been several on a sheet and if it was cut from a sheet in 1985 other examples would have surfaced not only by now but a long time ago.

What then, scrap?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I've seen the claim on numerous occasions it was even in the book The Card.

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I am far from an expert on the Wagner topic but had heard from numerous people describing the author as a tabloid esque reporter and found many inaccuracies in The Card so I never read it.

[oldjudge]

There is no comparison between the Peck and Snyder Cincinnati trade card and the various c1869 Cincinnati CdVs. The trade card is much, much rarer, especially untrimmed.

[sreader3]

I don’t understand the cult-like fascination with Piedmont 350 examples of the so-called Elite 11 T206 150/350 subjects which were short printed with Piedmont 350. These are common fronts with the most common back. I get that the front/back *combination* is tough but there are many other front/back combinations that are tougher and don’t exact nearly as big of a premium.

Schulte (Front View) with Piedmont 350 excepted. That’s a legit 1-of-1 as far as
I know.

[bbcard1]

If your goal is to build a collection that represents the history of baseball, if needs to include Pedro Martinez as well and Walter Johnson, Mike Trout as well as Tris Speaker.

Also many 1950s cards are currently radically overpriced in mid grade. There is more than an ample supply.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I am far from an expert on the Wagner topic but had heard from numerous people describing the author as a tabloid esque reporter and found many inaccuracies in The Card so I never read it.

I thought little of O'Keefe. Mint Condition by David Jameson is much better.

[JLange]

-The 1978 - 84 Sports Photo Associates Pinbacks, with more than 400 subjects, is one of the great underrated and underappreciated pinback sets of all time.

-Larry Doby's contributions to major league baseball are underappreciated

-There are still many baseball card issues yet to be fully investigated and catalogued.

[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by JLange

-Larry Doby's contributions to major league baseball are underappreciated

100% agree about Doby being underappreciated. The same could be said for most of the African American players who came over shortly after. What Jackie did was obviously amazing but the others who came shortly after had to endure a lot of the same heat that Jackie took and could arguably be considered just as important.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by ronniehatesjazz

100% agree about Doby being underappreciated. The same could be said for most of the African American players who came over shortly after. What Jackie did was obviously amazing but the others who came shortly after had to endure a lot of the same heat that Jackie took and could arguably be considered just as important.

Trying to land a 49 Bowman Doby right now at seems hard so maybe it’s coming around.

My contrarian view would be that the lowest grade is as safe as investment as the highest grade. It’s the ones in between that have a little more risk.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wasn't there a companion sheet cut Plank? In any case I don't understand anyone to be claiming Ray or Sevchuck had cut it, just that it was in fact sheet cut wherever it originated.

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I am far from an expert on the Wagner topic but had heard from numerous people describing the author as a tabloid esque reporter and found many inaccuracies in The Card so I never read it.

I wasn't using it as factual information I've already stated I don't believe the Wagner was cut from a sheet in the 1980's by anyone, it was in response to Peters post questioning the claim ever being made.