Show...me...your print variations!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by G1911

Noticed a mark on my 57 Boyer while playing with my set, the first image with the curley blue shape. I went to see if it was recurring or maybe an after-production mark or damage, and saw 2 other different blue shapes on COMC. Looks like there are at least 4 Boyer cards:

Blue curley shape
Big blue dot
2 very small blue dots
Proper full white border (not pictured)

There may be more.

Found another one, the one on top here with a blue scribble mark in the same spot. There's at least 5 distinct versions of Boyer's card, possibly more.

[Harliduck]

I have no idea if this card has been mentioned on this thread...if so, I apologize. It's quite the long thread now...


Thumbing through my 63 Topps set I noticed my #68 Friendly Foes had a large yellow ink blob...so I looked through ebay and other sites and pored through a bunch of cards and did find ONE other with the same blob...kinda cool to see a matching card. So I assume there are others out there.

Here is my card -



Here is the card I found on ebay with the same ink markings...




Cool card regardless...thought I'd share...

[G1911]

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[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I have no idea if this card has been mentioned on this thread...if so, I apologize. It's quite the long thread now...


Thumbing through my 63 Topps set I noticed my #68 Friendly Foes had a large yellow ink blob...so I looked through ebay and other sites and pored through a bunch of cards and did find ONE other with the same blob...kinda cool to see a matching card. So I assume there are others out there.

Here is my card -



Here is the card I found on ebay with the same ink markings...




Cool card regardless...thought I'd share...

Nice find John, haven't seen that one before, thank you for sharing.

[ALR-bishop]

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[Harliduck]

Thanks Larry and great cards Greg. They were pretty sloppy with the yellow ink there!

Al...did you already know about this one? Cool to see another example...

[ALR-bishop]

I looked to see what I had after your post. No recall when I picked it up

[bobsbbcards]

This one (yellow blob) has probably been mentioned before (recurring), but I had one, so there.

[stlcardsfan]

Print variation (I think). Definitely crease variation 😂

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by stlcardsfan

Print variation (I think). Definitely crease variation ��

There is a term used for that with comic books that I can't remember. That card sat in a pile of other cards like that for a long period of time, most of the card was protected by whatever card was on top of it but the parts of the card with the discoloration were sticking out of the pile exposed to the elements but not sunlight. ETA, it finally came to me, it's called a dust shadow.

[ALR-bishop]

Bob's yellow blob on a Buy Back card


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[butchie_t]

While searching for the McClain collar speck variation I ran across two back print variations of that card.

Both are print dots on the left side of the cards in two different places. They are on their way to me now.

On a related note, I am not finding it easy to find a Lonborg no red flag stripes example. Every one I see has red stripes in the flag to a differing degree But none have no red in the stripes. Maybe I am looking at this variation a bit wrong.

Cheers,

B.T.

[butchie_t]

I snagged a 73 Al Kaline band-aid head this morning. He is soft around the corners, a bit bent, a bit creased, but all mine. Woot!!!!!

[Harliduck]

Butch...congrats on the band-aid Kaline...I saw that one, not a bad deal...and yours!


Going through and organizing some of my 70's doubles I came across this gem...can't imagine it's recurring but kinda a cool cyclops version! Yikes!

[butchie_t]

Wooo, sweet card. That’s all Juan would have needed is a third eye.

Freaky looking for sure.

Thanks for the congrats on Mr. band-aid head… I’m jazzed to finally have one.

[Kevvyg1026]

After seeing the Marichal card, I had to post this 1966 Sutton card. Note the nice eyebrows.

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[Cliff Bowman]

The pornstache on Sutton is awesome, I don’t think he ever sported facial hair.

[ALR-bishop]

[butchie_t]

I’ll take ‘players who have lost their focus’ for $500, Al.

[4reals]

From the front, they look the same. But flip them over and you’ll see the difference…





Milt was double printed but based on the location of the “flag” this would have had to have occurred on the sheet with Jim Wynn #395 directly above and Dock Ellis #528T adjacent as seen in my poor drawing. I could not find any examples of the other two cards with print variations on back. Maybe your luck is better than mine?




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[John1941]

Joe W., that looks more like the tentacle of an octopus extending over the back of poor Milt May's card.

[4reals]

I can see that. Or the tail of a tadpole.


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[savedfrommyspokes]

Bought a 71 set from the same seller Darren bought his WL Pirates team card from and found this 582 WL card.

To quote Darren directly from his post in the May PU thread "It's a true variation, as it is not sun faded or missing the yellow ink from the entire card, and looks identical to all of the other Pirates Team cards from that year (with obvious yellow usage throughout) with the exception of the color of the word "PIRATES.""

This Cash card would carry the same description.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Unfortunately, the Pirates TC is more of a "yellow-lessing" version (faint yellow letters). With the Clemente card, the letters are as white as the Cash card, however, there appears to be a yellow print line of sorts on the lower, far right part of the card's image....almost like the yellow run did not make it across the entire card just along that edge of the image.

[JollyElm]

Been gone awhile, so it's good to see that Cash card. Great pick-up!

It's strange with these sorts of things, because although your eyes, scans, pics, photoshop level adjustments, etc., tell you it is, in fact, missing the yellow in the word "PIRATES," you (at least I) still search for a reason to conclude it is not an actual variation. Such is the depressing life of an E&V collector.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Been gone awhile, so it's good to see that Cash card. Great pick-up!

It's strange with these sorts of things, because although your eyes, scans, pics, photoshop level adjustments, etc., tell you it is, in fact, missing the yellow in the word "PIRATES," you (at least I) still search for a reason to conclude it is not an actual variation. Such is the depressing life of an E&V collector.

Thank you, and yes, after seeing one in hand I agree it could be easy to dismiss this as an actual variation....clearly not though.

I wonder if these WL cards are only seen on Pirate cards in this series?, on Pirate cards in other series also?, or other cards from other teams in this series?

My last question is why have these WL Pirate cards not surfaced previously....was the source a hoarder?

[ejstel]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I snagged a 73 Al Kaline band-aid head this morning. He is soft around the corners, a bit bent, a bit creased, but all mine. Woot!!!!!

Nice - you got one!

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[Kleepernop]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I snagged a 73 Al Kaline band-aid head this morning. He is soft around the corners, a bit bent, a bit creased, but all mine. Woot!!!!!

PSA is now recognizing the bandage variation - there’s a “6” listed as an auction on eBay. I have a cross-over to send in now, and yet again PSA has figured out how to get more of my $.

[Cliff Bowman]

While looking through 1967 Topps 6th Series cards I figured there had to be some cropping difference on the #531 Checklist (Brooks Robinson) because it was printed on the 6th Series sheet and the 7th Series sheet. I found at least one, on the 6th Series sheet card there is a small gap between Robinson's chin and the black line, on the 7th Series sheet card Robinson's chin barely touches the black line with no gap.

[ALR-bishop]

At least I don’t have to go out and get one of these 😊

How many checklists, if any, from 1960 to 1973 have only one version

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

At least I don’t have to go out and get one of these 😊

How many checklists, if any, from 1960 to 1973 have only one version

Until recently, I would have answered this question saying that the 1971 Topps Coins checklist would be one, but I would have been wrong. However, this checklist card appears to be the answer to the following question: "Which checklist appears in two non-consecutive series?".

The 71 Coin checklist appears on the 2nd and 4th series sheet. Any other checklist cards that appear in multiple non-consecutive series?

To answer your question Al, I have always felt that the 61, 63, 64, 66, 68-72 1st series checklists, as well as all 73s have one version.

[ALR-bishop]

I think I have differences for 61, 64, 66, 68, 69, and 70. What I thought I remembered for 73 was actually the 2nd CL

61— names and boxes at different heights ?
64— box 44 can have a line and box 14 a dot
66– Merritt can have a botched M and spacing difference of card # to bottom
68– CR location difference ?
69– McClains collar and USA on back with or without periods
70– 226 Peranoski-with or without . after P

Pursued this kind of stuff in my younger days. Can’t see well enough anymore so have to rely on you guys and threads like this one ��

[JollyElm]

For the '67 checklists (and other things), check out this old thread:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=207639

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think I have differences for 61, 64, 66, 68, 69, and 70. What I thought I remembered for 73 was actually the 2nd CL

61— names and boxes at different heights ?
64— box 44 can have a line and box 14 a dot
66– Merritt can have a botched M and spacing difference of card # to bottom
68– CR location difference ?
69– McClains collar and USA on back with or without periods
70– 226 Peranoski-with or without . after P

Pursued this kind of stuff in my younger days. Can’t see well enough anymore so have to rely on you guys and threads like this one ��

Al is correct on all of these.

The 1963 Topps 1st series checklist also has variations. The front can have a black line top border or not. The size of the box on the reverse with the card number "79" can be a square or rectangle. The copyright wording is is also lower/higher.

Mike

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[ALR-bishop]

Hey Mike. Agree on 63. I have one version with a black line under the red box on front, one with yellow line and one with no line. Registration differences probably, but also box size shape differences on back.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For the '67 checklists (and other things), check out this old thread:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=207639

I should have known it has been discussed before, I even responded in that thread but have absolutely no memory of it.

[ALR-bishop]

I need to recheck but think I have 2 versions of CL 2 from 73 ( likely just a PD). I think it involved the Bonds card

On the 63 CL 1 the box differences are subtle. I think the easiest way to spot the 2 is the location of the CR to the top of the box

[e6phillips]

There are at least 5 variations of this card:

1. Blue background
2. White background
3. Blue background with overprint from the back of the card in the upper left
4. White background with overprint from the back of the card in the upper left
5. Blue background with white splotch above the “e” in Zuverink with overprint from the back.

There may be other permutations of these variations. The amount of the overprinting varies. All of the 5 varieties I’ve found are common.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I should have known it has been discussed before, I even responded in that thread but have absolutely no memory of it.

A few years ago I was all psyched, because I found a new variation - a red streak on the 1972 Topps #300 Hank Aaron 'In Action' card that was a continuation of the one found on a small amount of #306 Boswell IA cards. I had parades planned, the bakery was making me a celebratory cake, etc., and then BOOM!!! I was told that this version was reported many years ago and could already be found on many 'official' variations lists. I still ate the cake. I mean, I'm not an animal.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

A few years ago I was all psyched, because I found a new variation - a red streak on the 1972 Topps #300 Hank Aaron 'In Action' card that was a continuation of the one found on a small amount of #306 Boswell IA cards. I had parades planned, the bakery was making me a celebratory cake, etc., and then BOOM!!! I was told that this version was reported many years ago and could already be found on many 'official' variations lists. I still ate the cake. I mean, I'm not an animal.

Good to know I am not the only one!!

[ALR-bishop]

I had a couple of Zuverinks but did not realize there were so many different versions

[G1911]

I believe that leaves 70 and 71 1st series without a known variation. I have neither as having a variant in my custom checklist (besides that the 70 comes in very obviously different white or cream stock, like every card in the series).

[mikemb]

Ralph Nozaki, Dick Gilkeson and Richard Dingman all list a variation of the 1970 series 1 checklist as either the player's bat touches the top border or does not touch. Here are my 2

Mike

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[G1911]

Sweet, one more to track down.

[mikemb]

Originally Posted by G1911

Sweet, one more to track down.

It should be easy.

Mike

[steve B]

Originally Posted by mikemb

Ralph Nozaki, Dick Gilkeson and Richard Dingman all list a variation of the 1970 series 1 checklist as either the player's bat touches the top border or does not touch. Here are my 2

Mike

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A variation that isn't....
It's in the registration, red is printed slightly high on one.

[whiteymet]

Hi Gang:

I think these are "new" unlisted 1960 Topps variations of the same card #74 Walt Moryn

First is what appears to be the most common version with a white "butterfly" on the brim of his cap.

Second is another of outside of the box photos with his elbow being partially outside the box on the small photo to the left

Lastly is a non "butterfly" on his brim.

Looking on ebay the white butterfly seems by far to be the most common. There are some without the butterfly but in much smaller numbers

The elbow out I have only seen in the butterfly version and much smaller that the above two.

[G1911]

I appreciate it when you guys educate me on a new one and it is a cheap first series common player like this.

[Northviewcats]

Interesting printing error. Two distinct white lines top and bottom border far left. Another pair of white lines bottom border between the letters T & F.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

This one is interesting, to me anyway. Bowman 1950 cards 181 to 252 can be found with or without the copyright on the back. Cards with no copyrights are tougher, and no copyrights from 181 to 210 are very tough to find.

Card 245 Papai can be found not only with copyright and without, but also with a blue arc on the bottom front. The arc versions are scarce but occur on both the copyright and no copyright versions, which is what I found interesting.

I think Thomas may have posted the arc version previously

Yes, I was the one who posted this. I realize it is impossible to show the front vs. back since scanning does not work that way, but I azure you that this is accurate.