Please help settle a FB debate. Was the T206 Wagner EVER made with a Piedmont back?

[mrreality68]

Hi

On this forum there was a link that showed all the known wagners with pictures front and back

Does anyone have that link. That would help

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hi

On this forum there was a link that showed all the known wagners with pictures front and back

Does anyone have that link. That would help

https://t206resource.com/Wagner-Gallery.html

[cgjackson222]

According to PSA there are "approximately 60-75 or so known (total) copies in the hobby today. Keep in mind that most of the surviving Wagners have Sweet Caporal backs. Only a few exhibit Piedmont backs, which includes the finest example of them all."

When they refer to the "finest example of all" they are of course referring to the PSA 8 Gretzky copy (which was trimmed/hand cut from a sheet).

https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...s-wagner/18155

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

According to PSA there are "approximately 60-75 or so known (total) copies in the hobby today. Keep in mind that most of the surviving Wagners have Sweet Caporal backs. Only a few exhibit Piedmont backs, which includes the finest example of them all."

When they refer to the "finest example of all" they are of course referring to the PSA 8 Gretzky copy (which was trimmed).

https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...s-wagner/18155

Trimmed and was never in a pack.

[profholt82]

As we all know, there's nothing more important than being right on the internet. Godspeed, bobby w.

[53toppscollector]

t206 resource has this scan of the Piedmont

[vintagetoppsguy]

The Cobb/Edwards Honus Wagner had a Piedmont back and it was...oh, wait...never mind.

[mrvster]

the few piedy s are printers scrap....

similiar to the planks scraps...

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by profholt82

As we all know, there's nothing more important than being right on the internet. Godspeed, bobby w.

Wins come so infrequently I take them as I get them.

[profholt82]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Wins come so infrequently I take them as I get them.

I realize now that I should have put a wink emoji or something there. I hope it was obvious that I was being tongue in cheek.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trimmed and was never in a pack.

Peter, correct me if I am wrong, but the story I recall was that the Honus with a Piedmont back, now known to be trimmed and graded by PSA, was on a sheet bought by Rob Lifson from a dealer on Long Island and then purchased by Bill Mastro, who then trimmed it and caused a lifetime of enmity between the two. Others know the whole story better than me.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Peter, correct me if I am wrong, but the story I recall was that the Honus with a Piedmont back, now known to be trimmed and graded by PSA, was on a sheet bought by Rob Lifson from a dealer on Long Island and then purchased by Bill Mastro, who then trimmed it and caused a lifetime of enmity between the two. Others know the whole story better than me.

That is the basic story, yes. Or Bill bought it, but was fronted the funds by Rob. Keith Olbermann claims to have seen "that Wagner" before it was doctored by Mastro.

[egri]

The real question is, did Andrew's Wagner have a Piedmont back?

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

That is the basic story, yes. Or Bill bought it, but was fronted the funds by Rob. Keith Olbermann claims to have seen "that Wagner" before it was doctored by Mastro.

If the “Wagner” was originally cut off a sheet, why is it considered trimmed and not just sheet cut? I always thought that trimmed referred to cards that were issued to the public in a specific size and then cut down afterwards.

Or, is it just semantics?