T205 - The Elusive Gold Gilded Set

[brianp-beme]

Thanks to your input, I have adjusted the following cards below that are bold and italicized (boy, I am really getting extra fancy). I believe this comes out to 400. Pipe up if you think I have been too aggressive, or perhaps completely ignored your suggestions.

I also like the 400 total tie-in to the backs as mentioned by orioles70. What do people think about his idea of extra credit for the backs? I am a front guy so backs values are a little foreign to me, and I would need help in formulating their values. I would assume all Sweet Caporal and Piedmont (except factory 42) would be Zero value, and go up from there (perhaps Polar Bear a value of 1?, etc.). If I did add this, this back value would be separately identified by a slash. For example, if someone had an Eggs Value of 205, and their backs for these cards added up to 72, it could be identified on the EGGS list as 205/72. If collectors did not want to participate in the backs portion, that same EGGS value would just be shown as 205. I would not want the backs to boost the EGGS value, but perhaps it would be fun to note this as well...let me know what you think.

Brian



Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase - border on shirt

Chase - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty - red sock

Dougherty - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Graham, Peaches - Cubs

Grant, Ed SP

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. After 1908

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. After 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Suggs, George SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Baker, Frank

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Fisher, Ray SP

Raymond, Bugs SP

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4 or more (EGS in parenthesis):

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open (5)

Cobb, Ty (12)

Collins, Jimmy ML (4)

Gray, Dolly - stats on back (4)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (20)

Johnson, Walter (7)

Joss, Addie SP (8)

Mathewson, Christy (6)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (15)

Moran, Pat - stray line of type (5)

Speaker, Tris (4)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (6)

Walsh, Ed SP (4)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP (4)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)

Young, Cy (8)

[riggs336]

You are a rare genius. Quit tinkering (and evering and chancing) and let's get the EGGS in the basket.

[Cozumeleno]

Brian, you know I love these sorts of posts. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about the backs. You'd be getting way into the weeds at that point. Yes, the rare ones are collected/desirable. But I'd keep it short/simple like the E90-1 and Frank's T206 thread.

Hope you're well -- and just my two cents.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by riggs336

You are a rare genius. Quit tinkering (and evering and chancing) and let's get the EGGS in the basket.

I consider myself the Harry Steinfeldt of Tinker to Evers to Chance fame. And I am thinking the basket full of EGGS is pretty close to having some ham, cheese and onions added to create a tasty new omelette thread.

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Brian, you know I love these sorts of posts. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about the backs. You'd be getting way into the weeds at that point. Yes, the rare ones are collected/desirable. But I'd keep it short/simple like the E90-1 and Frank's T206 thread.

Hope you're well -- and just my two cents.

Thanks Anson, you may have just knocked some sense back into my head, because I never really wanted backs to be considered. A KISS (keep it simple, stupid) is probably the best affectionate path to take on this one. From now onward, for the purposes of the highly touted upcoming thread, everyone should pretend that all T205 cards have blank backs.

In case you have never checked out Anson's site, https://prewarcards.com/ , it has terrific articles and checklists about vintage baseball cards as well as covering a wide spectrum of the non-baseball card collecting world.

Brian

[Yoda]

Brian, you are on a roll. I am in total agreement with your point weighing but have found in my own experience that Johnny Evers seems to be a tough find. When you see his card up for auction, it always seems to fetch more than comparative other T205 Hof'ers.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Brian, you are on a roll. I am in total agreement with your point weighing but have found in my own experience that Johnny Evers seems to be a tough find. When you see his card up for auction, it always seems to fetch more than comparative other T205 Hof'ers.

I have noticed that Evers seems more popular/valuable than his other Cub poem friends. I had actually considered making the card a 3 pointer, so I am glad you posted. His card is definitely the most attractive, in my opinion, of the three. So I have knocked down Moran - stray line of type a point to accommodate Evers rise.

Brian

[tiger8mush]

Would it be easier to sort the 221 subjects in order according to avg price in VG condition and assign a point system that way? Price generally takes into account both demand and rarity.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Would it be easier to sort the 221 subjects in order according to avg price in VG condition and assign a point system that way? Price generally takes into account both demand and rarity.

Probably, but I guess I am one of those who like to make a molehill out of an anthill.

Brian

[nebboy]

Like what happening with point valuations.
Only ones I would add to consideration for increasing a point to is
Graham, Peaches - Cubs
Shean, David - Cubs
They don't come up much as other (2s) and most of the time demand is strong.

[T205 GB]

Great thread. Love it.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by nebboy

Like what happening with point valuations.
Only ones I would add to consideration for increasing a point to is
Graham, Peaches - Cubs
Shean, David - Cubs
They don't come up much as other (2s) and most of the time demand is strong.

John, thanks for the input. I also think that the Graham/Shean Cubs variations are some of the more popular of the 2 point cards I noted. I am not sure if they quite get the bump to 3-dom though. If others think they should come forward, and I will increase them. But I will have to deduct a total of two points elsewhere.

Brian