T205 - The Elusive Gold Gilded Set

[brianp-beme]

Thanks John. I have mentioned in the past that I have a sneaky suspicion that my interest in this hobby lies in the fact that it allows me to create various lists.

To make it easier for some, here are the 'Special' T205 cards grouped by their EGS value. The ML abbreviation stands for Minor League card, while the SP abbreviation stands for cards considered Short Prints.


Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Baker, Home Run

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Dahlen, Bill SP

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dunn, Jack ML

Evers, Johnny

Fisher, Ray SP

Frick, James ML

Graham, Peaches - Cubs

Grant, Ed SP

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. After 1908

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. After 1908

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

McAllister, Sport ML

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Raymond, Bugs SP

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Suggs, George SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Turner, Terry SP

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats

Walsh, Ed SP

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with EGS value of 4 or higher (ESG value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (15)

Johnson, Walter (5)

Joss, Addie SP (8)

Mathewson, Christy (5)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (10)

Moran, Pat - stray line of type (4)

Speaker, Tris (4)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (4)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (8)

Young, Cy (6)


Brian

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I would rate Moran Stray line higher, but that's nit picking.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I would rate Moran Stray line higher, but that's nit picking.

This is just the sort of nit picking I appreciate. Consider Moran Stray Line to be under consideration.

Brian

[Yoda]

Any credit for the more elusive backs? For example, I hold a Cobb with an AB reverse, which must be rarer than one with a Hassan back.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Any credit for the more elusive backs? For example, I hold a Cobb with an AB reverse, which must be rarer than one with a Hassan back.

Good question. For the purposes of the future thread, the Elusive Gold Standard value for each card will be without consideration of its backside. Though I wouldn't be adverse if anyone shared that information on a post.

Brian

[rats60]

I would move up
Bresnahan Open
Daubert
Fisher
Raymond
Turner

1 point each. I know that throws the Math off, but you could also go up to 400 points and add more value to some of the tougher cards such as Moran, Gray, Wilhelm suffe ed, Wallace 1 line, Matty 1 loss and especially Hoblitzell no stats.

I have been collecting this set since 1988 and to me those are tougher than the other cards valued at the same number of points. Overall though, a very good list. Are we going to have a gold border thread to add to the Monster and Kraken?

[ronniehatesjazz]

Love the concept but I would argue for more of a bell curve distribution on the values... lot of commons have the same value of stars and SPs in your rankings. SPs are what make this set IMO and although your correct that Cobb should be right up there with Hobby, I also think the tougher SPs should be around Matty (I would argue he would be closer to a 6 or 7 also), and the uber difficult variations just trailing behind Cobb. I would also put the Matty Cycle back around Cobb.

Regardless, thanks for putting this thread together!

[familytoad]

Oooh!
While BP likes to build lists, I like to count cards via Excel Abacus.
So I’m going to be building a Gold Standard Calculator for this brilliant idea.
Brilliant !

Let me know if you want a copy of the GSC.

For my own calculator, once I build it, the value probably won’t increase much.
I finished the basic set years ago and I have the various Variations that I could find or afford. Perhaps this might prompt me to get off my wallet and get the Matty 37-1 someday!

Thank you BP for your willingness to drag us collectors across another finish line!